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Old 05-31-2013, 04:26 PM   #51
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Oh, in that case disregard my report & query asking if Orangello was "special".
The term "special" has been used, but usually only by people in lab coats.
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since the only 800 lb black bears are on Alpha centauri, I wouldn't worry about it a bit. 400 lbs is a BIG black bear, probably a male, in the fall, fat and trying to get fatter, for hibrernation. It's the 200 lb sows, with cubs, in early spring, hungry, that I'd worry about. Only where there's salmon runs are even grizzlies going to be over 600 lbs, friend. Sorry, but that's the facts.

exactly 2 seconds, eh? when a bear hits 50 fps in about 2 leaps, that's about right, for a charge from 20 yds away, standing start so who says that the attack will be in daylight, or that you will see him that far away, or that he won't already be in full charge before you notice him?

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They trapped and relocated a 620 pound black bear in Florida this week; he was described as overweight due to his garbage snacking ways. I hope a Burmese python chokes him out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2332391/The-moment-record-setting-620-pound-black-bear-bounds-cage-trapped-released-Florida.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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By golly-now you've got it, Norwegion!!

And, yes I have been attacked by a bear... from 20 paces, you have exactly 2 seconds to stop him.
I'd be confident that there is nothing in North America that a 3" Magnum discharge of 10 36-caliber hard-plated buckshot will not stop in its tracks at 20 paces (50 feet). Better than hoping a single slug finds its mark. I've bet my life on it...
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so? millions have bet their lives, daily, for years, on .25 Ravens. that doesnt make them correct, or you. Best go with slugs, at least every other shell in the mag, and aim for the head, with a gas op autoloader. a typical riot barrel, at 50 ft, the pattern is 16" wide. that means the area is 64x 3.14'{pi, remember?) which is 201 square inches, which means 1 pellet every 20 square inches. the brain is at most 36 square inches, so you've got at most 2 pellets, each with less power than a 9mm pistol, striking a slanting nose/ hard bone face. that aint very good odds, in my book.

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We need some live bear testing to settle this.

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I never said I was trying to hit the brain of a charging grizzly, and anyone who is will be a mauled, dead, or very lucky fool. I'm just trying to stop the threat.

By the way, I think the spread will probably be a little wider at that range...

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[wonders about the effect of a buckshot nut shot on a grizzly]

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you won't stop a charge without either a brain hit, luck hit to the spine, or breaking a shoulder and buckshot won't do the latter, beyond about 10ft of range. little 100 lb deer often run a ways with a 12 ga slug thru their lungs, a few run with their hearts blown apart, too. See, the mammalian brain ALWAYS keeps 5 second's worth of oxygenated blood inside of the cranium. nothing you can do to the heart, lungs, liver, spleen or kidney can shut down the critter in less than 5 seconds, physically. Some, of course, will stop due to pain, but that's not the same thing as physical incapacitation.

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I'd be confident that there is nothing in North America that a 3" Magnum discharge of 10 36-caliber hard-plated buckshot will not stop in its tracks at 20 paces (50 feet). Better than hoping a single slug finds its mark. I've bet my life on it...
More than likely you would piss it off, and if it sees you are the one to have pissed it off, they WILL take out their anger on you.
The problem with the hard buckshot is they don't have enough mass to carry on into the vitals after they leave the barrel. They lose that energy faster than a slug does. (they don't play like regular '36 caliber' bullets, where the spin stabilizes them and continues on with that momentum. Plus they don't have the velocity of a high powered rifle.

Especially when we are talking bears in the fall time, when they are eating up everything to get that fat layer going. You might get lucky with a bear that just came out of its den from hibernation, but I would pay good money just to watch you try it on a mid summer or fall bear.

If buckshot was so good, then they would issue it to all park rangers instead of slugs. Slugs ya know can travel well past 100 yards and kill innocents down range.
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