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Old 03-23-2013, 12:24 AM   #21
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I've heard of people using bells and pepper spray as a deterrent.

I've also heard a lot of grizzly bears sh*t bells and their breath smells like pepper spray.
Too true. I used pepper spray on a boar once. He lost interest in me very quickly. He started rubbing his eyes in the dirt, then ran headlong into a tree. Then he played bumper cars with the trees as he ran away. I laughed my head off.
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Hunting license courses can take a year and is expensive. You need to know biology, conservation, weapon and hunting laws, history, weapon and caliber history, correct caliber for hunting different game, hunting culture, hunting language, diseases and parasites, how to process the animals. The test takes all day. You also have to take a shooting test with pistol, rifle, and shotgun. There are five disciplines with a percent to hit. It involves running targets at 100 meters with the rifle. The shotgun also has a running rabbit and clay shooting. Once again there is a percentage of shots. The shooting test is effing hard! I bet most Leos would fail. There are state and private Reviers. Everything costs and is regulated. Hunting is still for the rich in Germany, I am not rich. You still pay for the meat even if you shoot the animal (oay revier owner)If you own hunting rights on the revier it could cost between 500 to 1000€ a year, but you keep what you shoot. Each revier owner has a harvest plan that must be met. If game from a revier damages land in surrounding community, the revier owner must pay damages. Boar damage a lot of farms. We can not hunt bear.
WOW! Thats sad to hear! I couldnt really think it was THAT regulated. Socialism at its worst. Luckily, Norway has a proud hunting history, and we are also one of the biggest weapon producing country per capita in the world.

In Norway u have to be 16 years, take a 2 months course and a test in the end. After that you can buy rifles and shotguns, bolt actions and semi's, but you have to register everything you buy at the policestation. Silencers is also allowed i Norway. Handguns can be bought if you have been member of a pistol-club for 6 months.

Its quite expensive in Norway, but everyone can afford it. Theres plenty of jobs and money as norway is the richest country in the world(also per capita), due to oil and gas production.
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When I lived in AK I carried my 45-70 Guides Rifle with 400 gr Cor-Bon loads as my 'fishing/hiking' gun. That said I did some research on this and found some very interesting info. The most common weapon carried for Bear Defense is the 12 ga shotgun, specifically the 870 Remington. When I worked security on TAPS we carried the 870's with Brenneke Slugs as did most other folks who worked among the bears. BUT I also learned from some Canadians that they would carry the first round up with #6 shot. The reason makes perfect sense. Most of the time a bear gets to close you can 'haze' them with a non-lethal shot which most people us #6. Secondly, if the bear charges you and you can get off just one shot they would point it directly at the nose of the bear at less than 25 yds and fire. The '#6 shot' would blind the bear and cause his sense of smell to be negated thus they could side step the charge and finish of the bear with the Brenneke slugs. We on TAPS were not allowed to use this method because the 'tree huger environmentalists' said they did not want us to 'hurt' the bear and they were apposed to the use of 'lead'!!! So we used 'cracker' rounds and slugs.
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I can speak for Alaska.

Guides typically carry a 12 ga. pump with hard rifled slugs. I use the same gun but with 3" 000 Buckshot. Lotta people fly in Alaska unlike the lower 48 and the pistol of choice for brush pilots has been the .44 Mag Tracker. They sold me but in recent years the bigger Johnny-come-lately pistols have gotten attention although no-one really shoots them. These are for defense like bear spray. For hunting it is totally different though I do wear my .44 Mag on the outside too.

I'm not doing a .338. Bolt action in .30-06 AI.

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To get a hunting license in MS, i go to walmart and pay about $30. No test, no training; i was born before the "hunter's safety" courses were required. If you hunt deer, you do have to know how to assess the size of the rack to determine a shootable buck, or you just hunt does. Hunter's safety orange vests are required, at least for deer, but everybody i know wears them whenever the season is open and they are in the woods.

We can't legally hunt bear in MS, though we are allowed to defend ourselves against bear attacks, vigorously. I have a "drop gun" i could plant on a bear if needed.

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When I lived in AK I carried my 45-70 Guides Rifle with 400 gr Cor-Bon loads as my 'fishing/hiking' gun. That said I did some research on this and found some very interesting info. The most common weapon carried for Bear Defense is the 12 ga shotgun, specifically the 870 Remington. When I worked security on TAPS we carried the 870's with Brenneke Slugs as did most other folks who worked among the bears. BUT I also learned from some Canadians that they would carry the first round up with #6 shot. The reason makes perfect sense. Most of the time a bear gets to close you can 'haze' them with a non-lethal shot which most people us #6. Secondly, if the bear charges you and you can get off just one shot they would point it directly at the nose of the bear at less than 25 yds and fire. The '#6 shot' would blind the bear and cause his sense of smell to be negated thus they could side step the charge and finish of the bear with the Brenneke slugs. We on TAPS were not allowed to use this method because the 'tree huger environmentalists' said they did not want us to 'hurt' the bear and they were apposed to the use of 'lead'!!! So we used 'cracker' rounds and slugs.
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Hi Jim,

You say that 870's is the main weapon many people wear for bear defence, which is awesome. I love those guns. Rifled og smooth barrel? Or does it really make the big difference? I mean, rifled is more accurate, but within 40m/yds i dont think it will be very important. Is there a difference in power?
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I don't need a gun I speak bear so most of time were cool but if they go to make the wrong move I smack with mountain lion.

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For the 20-30 metre range you're going to want to use that 870, I don't know whether or not guides use them but I wouldn't doubt it. If you're using it strictly for bear defence, load it with buckshot-slug-buckshot. Depending on who you are, you might have issues keeping steady when you've got an 800 pound black bear charging you. The initial buckshot will deter it- slow it down, after that you've got it sitting steady you've got a shot with a slug, and if you're a **** shot under pressure like I am, you've got another round of buckshot to save your ass.

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