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Old 04-23-2012, 02:04 AM   #21
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I was surprised in how people still defend remington even with all the problems they have had

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Big Green had some QC issues in the early 90's, esp with the 1187 and putting Remchokes in 870/1187 bbls concentric.
Is that of which you speak?

Or is it Freedom Group era guns and their poor finish?

Or........... have you fallen victim to the BS television show where idiots experienced tragedy due to their own actions and with media help tried to spin it on the company? (700 trigger)

If the latter, I'm not going to respond outside of you need to get your info from more truthful sources.

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I have an old Browning Mdl 92 .44 Mag. These have Winchester Micro-Groove barrels. They have a 1-38 twist and will shoot 240 gr cast WW bullets OK. The little Browning is very accurate with iron sights.
Micro Groove barrels are a Marlin trademark. Winchester and Browning DID NOT use microgroove barrels.
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The rifling makes 1 full turn in 38". That is very slow. The S&W pistol rifling makes 1 full turn in 18.75" which is a lot faster. There is a formula that will tell you what the optimal twist rate is for a specific bullet weight, length and velocity.
http://kwk.us/twist.html
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/06/calculating-bullet-rpm-spin-rates-and-stability/
Stabilization is a product of RPM's, not twist rate. Higher velocity (rifle) requires less twist to attain the same RPM. Comparing the twist rate of a S&W revolver to the twist rate of a rifle is apples to oranges.
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Micro Groove barrels are a Marlin trademark. Winchester and Browning DID NOT use microgroove barrels.
Robot is correct. Winchester uses a process called die grooving on the older ones. Now its called nano grooving. Button rifling is very popular w them also.

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I was surprised in how people still defend remington even with all the problems they have had
I certainly hope you are not a believer in the MSNBC type of yellow journalism that paints Remington as makers of dangerous guns. The model 700 triggers, the shotgun safeties, and the exploding 870 barrels? Consider the source.
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no for the last time I'm not talking about the news bs. just of the quality nm I see there are some diehard fans in this room.

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OK, what standard manufacturer has NOT had a decline in quality over the last 20 years. Hell, Winchester could not remain profitable and high quality so they quit.

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well I've seen no serious problems with winchester ruger s& w like remington has had

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I certainly hope you are not a believer in the MSNBC type of yellow journalism that paints Remington as makers of dangerous guns. The model 700 triggers, the shotgun safeties, and the exploding 870 barrels? Consider the source.
my uncle had an 870 go off laying in the corner of his house that's my source
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