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colmustard 07-30-2013 07:14 PM

Is 30-30 adequate?
 
So I may have the option of going on a big game hunt with my new in-laws in the future out in Colorado. They hunt elk for the most part along with deer. I have a old Marlin 30-30 lever action with a 3x9 scope on it, do you think it is adequate enough for elk or should I go and get a 30-06 or 308 bolt action?

I do not really have much experience with rifle hunting since I live in Ohio, we use shotgun :)

Argyle_Armoring 07-30-2013 07:34 PM

The 30-30 has been good enough for the past 118 years. Why wouldn't it be good now?

hiwall 07-30-2013 07:35 PM

The 30-30 with an experienced hunter behind it who knew enough to severely limit his shots would be fine. For most hunters something heavier would likely be better.

colmustard 07-30-2013 07:41 PM

I feel confidant with it and am pretty accurate with it at the range. I also know it is Americas deer rifle and that it has no issues with deer. But elk hunting is something I have never done before and I did not want to take a rifle that would not be humane to use. My in-laws use old 300 savage lever guns and they seem to do well. Also I have other (non-scoped) options like a ww2 mauser 8mm that is very accurate, also of course the moisin. Just looking for some expertise and ideas. This hunt may or may not happen, if it does it may be this or next fall. Just planning ahead. :)

303tom 07-30-2013 07:50 PM

You tell me !...................

SRK97 07-30-2013 07:52 PM

Do a quick search for Hornady LeverEvolution, it's supposed to be good stuff.

Jagermeister 07-30-2013 07:54 PM

Germans were very methodical, practical and extensive with their research in caliber performance in regards to hunting. They have found out that any round that has a minimum 6.5 mm bullet traveling at 2000 jewels at 100 meters will take down larger game. This includes boar, large red deer, fallow deer and larger elk type deer seen in Northern Europe. They made this a requirement in hunting. So...

1)at least 6.5 mm (.264) bullet.
2)travels at 2000 jewels at 100 meters.

Yes on on both: Winchester .30-30 9.7 g 728 m/sec 2,388 fps 2,560 joules
Still, I would still shoot close to medium range with the round.

For .308: Winchester,NATO,FN .308/7.62x51mm 11.7 g 3,744 joules which is better for long range.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/elk_cartridges.htm

hairbear1 07-30-2013 09:23 PM

Depends on what ranges your shooting them at. If your going to be shooting at ranges out to 200yds + then I'd be opting for the .308 or 30/06 but if it's around 50- 100yds in thick bush then the 30/30 would be ok.

c3shooter 07-30-2013 09:58 PM

WITHIN IT'S LIMITS- the 30-30 is fine for deer, elk, moose, and medium bear. That limit is range.

Typically a 150 grain flat tipped bullet, it sheds energy pretty quickly. A Federal 150 FN has 2019 FPS at 100 yds, and 1358 ft lbs. Zeroed at 50, I will be -0.3 inches at 100. At 150, not as good, but so-so. At 200, things are dropping fast. Stay this side of 150, do your part, rifle will do it's part.

As said up there, the Leverlution ammo can add some range to the 30-30, but it will not be a 400 yd elk rifle.

spottedpony 07-30-2013 10:33 PM

In heavy timber the 30-30 would be just adiquate for elk, barely. the problem as much as being a bit undergunned is greenhorns expect to hit the woods walk a hundred yards point theyre rifle at a big bull shout bang and the elk drops dead.
In all my years of elk hunting i've seen more elk wounded and not found by inexperienced hunters packing grandpas ole lever action 30-30 than any other caliber made. Most bullets for that caliber are too flimsily constructed for thick skinned big boned game at anything over 50 yards. Personally i'd go with the 06, decently scoped, and a good nosler partition bullet 180 gr. if the rifle shoots it well. After you are properly armed, are YOU capable? If you can run a 12% grade as fast as possible, in winter gear with the temp around freezing, in two feet of snow, breating hard, adrenalin pumping and heart pounding, slip up behind a tree and centerpunch a target at 100+ yards without any hesitation, then your acclimated. THEN you're ready for an elk hunt.


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