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Old 05-21-2013, 01:30 PM   #11
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In Australia, The 280 Rem isnt very popular an its somewhat expensive for factory ammo!

Give me some Pros an Cons ; 280 V 3006 & 270.

contemplating a re barrel for my Rem 700 .270win..
Guys, remember we're not discussing the merits of the three cartridges in a vacuum. The OP is in Australia. The 280 is even less popular there than here. There is no indication that the OP handloads.

Given all that I think it is a wise choice to pick either the 270 or the 30-06 because of far better factory ammo cost and selection. Whatever appeal the 280 Remington may have, it's not different enough to override that consideration given the conditions the OP has described.
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The .280 is an excellent cartridge with a very good selection of bullets and different weights,however finding ammo for the Remington 280 in stock on a shelf could be a challenge.
Since i'm a handloader I would choose the Remington 280 or Remington 280 AI over the 270 win. and the 30-06,don't get me wrong 270 and 06' are both fine cartridges(I even have an 06 & 7 rem mag) I have seen my Dad hunt with his Remington 721 chambered in the Rem 280 that he purchased in 1959' or 60' and have always been impressed with the performance of 280 Remington.it holds a special place in this hunters eyes.

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Thanks for all the Replys here guys.
I was very broad in the OP an was wanting to hear basically whats been said.

I reload for .35 Whelen & .375win ATM but use Factorys in .270 an .300WSM, If i were to go down the 280 Route it would be reload strictly.

Not thinking too much about the ReBarrel at the minute, Its Winter time an I got Sambar to be huntin

Cheers again for the Info

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Oh yeah as a handloader you can do anything with a 280 that you could with a 270 and then some, plus you have access to some ultra high BC hunting bullets if you ever need to send one WAY out there. Not that the 270 is any kind of slouch in terms of external ballistics but it is kinna hard to hang with a .658 BC

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The 280 Remington tries to make a living splitting this tiny difference between two very well established cartridges. Not too surprisingly, it's had a hard time doing it.

While the 280 Remington is an excellent cartridge in its own right, its appeal is because it is so similar to two other excellent cartridges. In the real world there is no reason to consider rebarreling to 280, simply because ammo is expensive and hard to find. Unless you just have to have something different for the sake of being different, take your pick between 25-06, 270 or 30-06 if you really need to rebarrel.
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Nonsense. The 270, 280 and 30-06 are virtually the same cartridge with slightly different bullet diameters. The 270 has a .277 bullet, the 280 a .284 bullet - a miniscule .007 inch difference. No animal is going to be able to tell the difference.

I SAID the 280 is an excellent cartridge. Here, let me quote it for you:



There's no question about that. The problem is that it's positioned between two other similarly excellent and better established cartridges.

My recommendation not to rebarrel to 280 was based solely on ammunition cost and availability, not any deficiency in the 280 itself, which I will say for the third time, is an excellent cartridge.
So... what difference does it split?? The red are your words. Not mine. I have no love for the .30-06 and much less for the .270, I want to make that clear.
I read that paragraph and shut out the rest as you were so wrong. After a statement like that the rest also must be dribble or back peddling. You dog it and then praise? it???
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Of the three the 280 is the best choice ballisticly speaking. But I would sell my 270 or 06 just to get a 280.
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the 280 is one great cartridge and one of my new found favorites. the ballistics are even closer to the 7mm Rem. Mag. the 280 in a 139 gr bullet vs. the 30-06 with a 150 gr. bullet has even better ballistics. only when the 30-06 uses heavier bullets in the 180 gr. size does it the 30-06 surpass the 280.

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So... what difference does it split?? The red are your words. Not mine. I have no love for the .30-06 and much less for the .270, I want to make that clear.
I read that paragraph and shut out the rest as you were so wrong. After a statement like that the rest also must be dribble or back peddling. You dog it and then praise? it???
The 270, the 280 and the 30-06 all use the same basic case.

The 270 uses a .277 bullet
The 30-06 uses a .308 bullet
The 280 splits the difference with a .284 bullet

The 270's deer bullet is 130 grains
The 30-06's deer bullet is 150 grains
The 280 splits the difference with a 140 grain deer bullet

The 270 launches its 130 grain bullet at 3060 fps
The 30-06 launches its 150 grain bullet at 2910 fps
The 280 splits the difference by launching its 140 grain bullet at 2990 fps
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Let me make it clear: Viewed on its own merits, the 280 is a superb hunting cartridge. I'm not "dogging" the 280. If YOU like the 280 and if factory ammo availability isn't an issue, then more power to you. It's an excellent choice.

However, the OP lives in Australia and is concerned about cost and availability of factory ammo. Under those conditions, there simply isn't enough difference between the three cartridges to justify rebarreling to the 280. Any paper ballistic advantage isn't enough to outweigh the advantage of easily available factory ammo. No animal cleanly hit with a 270 is going to run away thinking "Thank God it wasn't a 280" or vice versa.

Factory ammo may not be important to YOU, but it is important to the OP.
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Thanks for all the Replys here guys.
I was very broad in the OP an was wanting to hear basically whats been said.

I reload for .35 Whelen & .375win ATM but use Factorys in .270 an .300WSM, If i were to go down the 280 Route it would be reload strictly.

Not thinking too much about the ReBarrel at the minute, Its Winter time an I got Sambar to be huntin

Cheers again for the Info

WL
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The 270, the 280 and the 30-06 all use the same basic case.

The 270 uses a .277 bullet
The 30-06 uses a .308 bullet
The 280 splits the difference with a .284 bullet

The 270's deer bullet is 130 grains
The 30-06's deer bullet is 150 grains
The 280 splits the difference with a 140 grain deer bullet

The 270 launches its 130 grain bullet at 3060 fps
The 30-06 launches its 150 grain bullet at 2910 fps
The 280 splits the difference by launching its 140 grain bullet at 2990 fps
Source: Federal Premium

Let me make it clear: Viewed on its own merits, the 280 is a superb hunting cartridge. I'm not "dogging" the 280. If YOU like the 280 and if factory ammo availability isn't an issue, then more power to you. It's an excellent choice.

However, the OP lives in Australia and is concerned about cost and availability of factory ammo. Under those conditions, there simply isn't enough difference between the three cartridges to justify rebarreling to the 280. Any paper ballistic advantage isn't enough to outweigh the advantage of easily available factory ammo. No animal cleanly hit with a 270 is going to run away thinking "Thank God it wasn't a 280".

Factory ammo may not be important to YOU, but it is important to the OP.
Natman, the OP is going to reload. so cost and availablity are not near the concern.

many years ago, there were many guns i sold or traded because of ammo costs to shoot, because i didn't reload. ammo cost is of little concern to me now. brass is my biggest cost factor for the initial loads to start with.
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Natman, the OP is going to reload. so cost and availablity are not near the concern.
Thanks for pointing that out, I missed the post where the OP changed his mind about factory ammo and was still working from his first post. If you're going to reload, the 280 is a fine choice.
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