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Old 05-15-2013, 09:00 AM   #1
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In Australia, The 280 Rem isnt very popular an its somewhat expensive for factory ammo!

Give me some Pros an Cons ; 280 V 3006 & 270.

contemplating a re barrel for my Rem 700 .270win..

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Old 05-15-2013, 09:52 PM   #2
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With handloads the 280 is the most ballisticly advanced of the three and of the 06 offspring only the 6.5-06 wildcat is superior in terms of long ranged trajectory/drift. In terms of factory ammo performance with hunting bullets there is not enough difference between the 280 and 270 to raise too much fuss over.
Of the three you listed here is how I rank them
30-06 is hands down the most versitly being able to confidently handle 125gr-240gr bullets, varmint through big game it can do it all.
270 Win is the best for deer hunting IMHO, shoots flat and far. It hits hard enough for any deer around here.
280 Rem is very close to the 270 but at some level it is between the 30-06 and 270, better then the 270 on larger game, and shoots flatter then the 30-06 at range.
My Grandfather was a diehard 280 fan, he owned over 300 firearms but his Rem 700 in 280 was his favorite.

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I agree with apex predator the 280 is 2nd in my opinion behind the 6.5-06. The 280 has more bullet options than the 270 but the 6.5 is superior and the parent case is one of the best ever to come from this country imho. If I was getting my 270 re barreled I would either get a 6.5-06 or a 280. I have a 30-06 that I load for and if it wasn't so accurate I would re barrel it but I cant do it.

I think that 280 and 30-06 are better than the 270 and there isn't anything wrong with a 270. I have one of those too. If you aren't going to reload I would go with the 30-06. You will have more bullet choices and the availability of 30-06 is much better.

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I have a love hate relationship with the 30-06, it is one of my all time favorites to reload and shoot, but mine likes faster moving loads that blow these smallish deer to bits so I never bring it hunting (my brother does though), my 270 has accounted for more then it's fair share of deer and it is not nearly as messy/wasteful if a small one steps into my crosshairs, but if I lived in trophy deer country or better yet elk my 06 would be at my side on every trip, the difference in meat damage could just be the difference in bullet though, my 06 loves Game Kings while my 270's hunting load is Ballistic Tips. I actually bought my 30-06 Savage as a donor action to build a 6.5-06 or 280AI but I made the mistake of shooting it first, I just cannot bring myself to tear down a lightweight rifle that shoots sub 1/2 MOA groups.

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There is not much real world difference between a 270 and a 30-06. The 30-06 hits a bit harder, the 270 shoots slightly flatter and kicks a little less.

The 280 Remington tries to make a living splitting this tiny difference between two very well established cartridges. Not too surprisingly, it's had a hard time doing it.

While the 280 Remington is an excellent cartridge in its own right, its appeal is because it is so similar to two other excellent cartridges. In the real world there is no reason to consider rebarreling to 280, simply because ammo is expensive and hard to find. Unless you just have to have something different for the sake of being different, take your pick between 25-06, 270 or 30-06 if you really need to rebarrel.

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Much better bullet selection of bullets in .284"(7mm) then for the .277(270Win) which is a plus. Of all the '06 based cartridges that are on the market I really like the 25-06 the most followed by the 280 Rem and 35 Whelen. Of course the ol' 30'06 isn't a bad round either.

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There is not much real world difference between a 270 and a 30-06. The 30-06 hits a bit harder, the 270 shoots slightly flatter and kicks a little less.

The 280 Remington tries to make a living splitting this tiny difference between two very well established cartridges. Not too surprisingly, it's had a hard time doing it.

While the 280 Remington is an excellent cartridge in its own right, its appeal is because it is so similar to two other excellent cartridges. In the real world there is no reason to consider rebarreling to 280, simply because ammo is expensive and hard to find. Unless you just have to have something different for the sake of being different, take your pick between 25-06, 270 or 30-06 if you really need to rebarrel.
Not sure what you are smoking, but leave it behind. The .280, although not my 1st 7mm pick is a great cartridge. It in no way splits between the .30-06 and .270, not even close. I will say I am not a big fan of anything based on the .30-06, Except the 6.5x06 and the .280 running a close second. I shoot a 7mm Rem Mag. Not the best Mag, but does quite a good job for me in both accuracy and harvesting.

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Much better bullet selection of bullets in .284"(7mm) then for the .277(270Win) which is a plus. Of all the '06 based cartridges that are on the market I really like the 25-06 the most followed by the 280 Rem and 35 Whelen. Of course the ol' 30'06 isn't a bad round either.
The big issue is the 8x57 shoots heavy 180+ gr. pills with more authority and less recoil. I'll keep my 9.3x57 6.5lb Swede that shoots like a .223 over the Whelen for 150 yard shots. A 9.3x62 is in the works that will bury the .35 Whelen. It also came 16 years earlier.
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Consider selling that rifle and buying one that has CRF, a M70 type three position wing safety, and parts that are not brazed on.

The Ruger, Winchester, Kimber, CZ, etc.

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Not sure what you are smoking, but leave it behind. The .280, although not my 1st 7mm pick is a great cartridge. It in no way splits between the .30-06 and .270, not even close. I will say I am not a big fan of anything based on the .30-06, Except the 6.5x06 and the .280 running a close second. I shoot a 7mm Rem Mag. Not the best Mag, but does quite a good job for me in both accuracy and harvesting.
Nonsense. The 270, 280 and 30-06 are virtually the same cartridge with slightly different bullet diameters. The 270 has a .277 bullet, the 280 a .284 bullet - a miniscule .007 inch difference. No animal is going to be able to tell the difference.

I SAID the 280 is an excellent cartridge. Here, let me quote it for you:

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the 280 Remington is an excellent cartridge in its own right
There's no question about that. The problem is that it's positioned between two other similarly excellent and better established cartridges.

My recommendation not to rebarrel to 280 was based solely on ammunition cost and availability, not any deficiency in the 280 itself, which I will say for the third time, is an excellent cartridge.
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Not to step on anyone's toes but there is a noticeable (though not huge) difference between the 30-06 and 270 (I have both) The 270 runs a full 200fps faster with bullets of similar BC and SD (130gr vs 165gr) that is plenty noticeable downrange IMHO, the 30-06 is considerably more versatile with it's HUGE array of bullets, especially for us handloaders. From blistering fast 125gr Pro Hunters to monster slaying 240gr Weldcores the 06 can do it all. The way I look at it the 270 is more specialized for deer class game and the 06 is the ultimate jack of all trades. The 280 can match the speed of the 270 with deer weight bullets (130gr vs 140gr) while holding slightly better ballistics making it one hellava deer cartridge.

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