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Old 12-07-2011, 09:17 PM   #21
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I have 2 223 rifles and hum neither of them shoot below 2000 fps not sure where you are getting your info from. But it is slightly off.

If a 223 can kill terrorist it can kill a deer. Proper bullet and SHOT PLACEMENT is KEY.

I have a Varmint load in my 223 that is scooting along at 3600fps.

Using a good 60 gr Nosler Partition bullet suitable for deer sized game.

please visit hodgdon.com and look up the loads.

Again proper bullet and proper shot placement is key with any cartridge. You don't need a Magnum to kill a deer.
Did anyone post this? You must have the lightning bolt, kills everything .223. Me, just a regular .223. Hodgdon has great load data for W, IMR, and Hodgdon powders, but I've never seen it posted there what the loads were good for. That would be an opinion, your opinion.


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Everyone here is almost unanimous with the fact that of course shot placement will kill any animal is put in the perfect place. However the 223 is awfully light for deer. And does not always knock a coyote DRT. Unless the shot is placed well even they will run. But there are some great bullets out there today for the 223 that are more devastating than others. In my coyote rifles I shoot Black Hills 50 Grain Red Ballistic Tips. Took a hog down with one in Texas a few weeks ago with one but he did run 75 yards. So probably predators and small game excluding deer for the most part unless excellent shot placement can be obtained and like the pig I disintegrated his heart.
Obviously anything smaller than ground hog is a mess if hit with one of the good rounds. I also shoot prarie dogs with one but the wind really effects it a ranges over 150 yards. The 700 ADL is a nice rifle. I have one in 243 Win.

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Although it is a fun rd., it isn't legal for deer in my state.
I carry one everyday for coyotes and it is great for p-dogs.
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would not hesitate to use the .223 on wild pigs. I have taken and witnessed many pigs taken with a 22 mag.
One of the places i hunt is restricted to rimfire rifles outside of deer season. Killed a lot of wild hogs there with the .22 magnum. Put the bullet in the right place and the .223 will do a good job on hogs.
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I am going hog hunting next month for the first time. I was going to use my 30-30 lever action. Would a .223 be just as good?
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.223 is not that great of a cartridge on heavy musle and bone critters over 80#thats the area of the .44mag rem magnum (JSP ammo), a nice lever carbine in .44 should be just the ticket for punching the clock on a hog, same for the 44-40 and .45colt and .45acp (JSP ammo)

the .223 is a good cartridge on thin skinned predators up to 80 pounds
works pretty good on wolves and coyotes & bobcat/lynx, little lite on heavy musle of wolverene, cougar are over 80#.

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I am going hog hunting next month for the first time. I was going to use my 30-30 lever action. Would a .223 be just as good?
.30-30 will be fine at 100 yard distances. If you are using a lever gun, I assume you are, it will make for quick follow up shots which sometimes is a big plus w/ pigs. If you are hunting brush, a lever gun w/ open sights would be about perfect.
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Thanks, some have said the .223 would be good but more have suggested the 30/30 lever would be better. I will also check with the ranch and see what people have been using. Appreciated.
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The 30/30 is a way better killer on pigs than a .223. Chasing a wounded pig that's been hit with a .223 in thick scrub is not my idea of a good afternoon.
I know blokes here that've shot pigs with a .223 and some have dropped on the spot and others have taken off badly wounded and full of nastiness where as pigs hit with the 30/30 will in most cases drop on the spot or at least will be anchored long enough to finish them off.
A 150gn pill versus a 69gn pill in the knockdown department is a no brainer as the 150gn pill will mince things up a lot better and if you encounter a boar thats covered in mud than the .223 pill has got it's work cut out where as the 150gn 30/30 pill will just plow in and bust up bones and vital bits a lot easier.
As far as I'm concerned the .223 is just an over sized .222 and should be consigned to the same range of critters like foxes,Coyotes,hares rabbits,pd's.

If your going to start using 70gn and 80gn projectiles you maybe better off going to a .243 or something in that range as your starting to wring the neck of the .223 trying to get it to do things that itwasn't meant to do,regards
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Thanks, I been leaning to the 30/30 as well. Just that my hard travel case fits my AR better. I will work it out.


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