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Old 09-16-2013, 08:25 PM   #81
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I will check it out Doc, thanks. Here I have no problem with qualifying with the local SO and if I were in CO the El Paso SO allows retired officers to qual. I have 'lifetime' CC permit here in AL.
Around here it's a matter of just how cooperative the local sheriff wants to be. Some are very helpful at every stage of the game. Others will help out retired Fl LE, but they are reluctant to help out of state people. Others just flat out refuse to help out of staters. There is no consistency, and in my opinion there needs to be.

The reason I know this is because of problems a friend of mine had. He's retired from Flint MI, PD and wanted to transfer his retired LEO carry permit to Florida. By the time he got done he said screw it and applied as a civilian. Even then he had a hard time getting Florida to recognize his past training. They wanted his annual qualification scores for the past 5 years on a department letterhead. It turns out it's much easier for a civilian to get a permit than a LEO from out of state.
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My answer to the OP...I'll bet any givin' Marine can't complete the Ironman Triathlon either...it's not practical and the average Marine contingent would be about 5 guys
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OP, here is my perspective on your question.

Shooting is a disposable skill meaning if you don't train with handguns often, skills tend not to be as sharp. I work with a lot of police officers and most of their departments have little or no ammo training budget. The police officer is then forced to go pay for and practice on his/her own. Cops don't get paid all that much to begin with.

Many IDPA shooters have made modifications to their guns such as competition triggers to make their guns run faster and more accurate. My stock Glock 22 with a 40-9 conversion barrel can't go as fast accurately as my supped XDm or even my Glock 34.

Combat shooting and competition shooting require different mindsets and training to achieve an intended result. That's my view.
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My guess is that shooting an unrealistic qualification course in an indoor range sandwiched between other shooters, under the watchful eyes of critical instructors doesn't instill a love of shooting .

Another guess is that fast, timed, sighted fire training trains people to flinch and jerk the trigger ; practice reinforces those habits .

I once watched the Maryland State Police Combat Pistol Team ( 4 guys ) win a PPC match . Three had .38 S&Ws and one had a 9MM Beretta . They shot one-hole groups out to 25 yards on a B-27 target and maybe a 8" group at 50 yards SA off a barricade . Does that mean the Maryland State Police can shoot or only that their pistol team can shoot ?
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Different agencies train differently. The average cop shoots because he has to. The average shooter shoots because he wants to. I pay close attention on qualification days to people's targets so that I know who to stay behind if things go bad. It's more people than you'd think.

On the other hand, those of us who enjoy shooting and were avid shooters before we were cops...... Well let's just say I think we would show you a different kindof result. We have the benefit of a lot of extra training, extra attention from the range staff, free ammo, free range lanes, and continuous oneupmanship with each other. Would we win? :shrug: Couldn't say. But I don't think we would disappoint.
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Different agencies train differently. The average cop shoots because he has to. The average shooter shoots because he wants to. I pay close attention on qualification days to people's targets so that I know who to stay behind if things go bad. It's more people than you'd think.

On the other hand, those of us who enjoy shooting and were avid shooters before we were cops...... Well let's just say I think we would show you a different kindof result. We have the benefit of a lot of extra training, extra attention from the range staff, free ammo, free range lanes, and continuous oneupmanship with each other. Would we win? :shrug: Couldn't say. But I don't think we would disappoint.
Nice answer!It would be a interesting contest(My team against yours).If I may be completely frank, in the past I had the great honor an privilege to compete with and learn from several special corps members(to mention some of them navy seals, rangers, french legionaries, spanish legionaries,etc).I was surprised by what they told me:Even if you're a special corps member it doesn't necessary mean that you are a great shooter or one of the best shooters out there.It sounded pretty odd to me at the beginning(If you reached the rank of specialist, then there should be a good reason for it-including shooting), but the I saw that what were the facts:The overall performance is everything, you shouldn't focus only on a kind of skills.For example:I beaten some navy seals in terms of speed any accuracy(while shooting), but they were better than me in terms of tactical approach and endurance.So what does it mean?In a open and short term shootout/fight, I would probably overpower a navy seals member;If I would be the target and the objective would be to knock me down quietly by sneaking into enemy territory, then I would be the one to be dead.

As you said, it all depends on what designated task your trained for.
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How the hell is it possibie that an IDPA/IASC shooter is better trained than a cop?
Easily. Of course a seasoned IDPA shooter can outscore a police officer. A dedicated martial artist will beat him, a cross country athlete will outrun him, and a bike racer will leave him in a dust. A cop is expected to be competent, not competitive. Beating him at a dueling tree does not mean you will be better when life knocks.

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Whatever.I find it unacceptable that a law encorcement member can be overpowered so easely. How many people like me are out there?Millions?That means that millions of people can kick the ass of someone that is supposed to protect me, my family and my property.So why should I trust a cop?For his competence?Regarding competence:Many of them are simply ignorant and doesn't know the law; some other think thay're are gods on earth just for wearing a uniform.Don't let me be misunderstood:In my family almost everyone was a military vet and or a policeman.They are good people, but sometimes they have their own interpretation of law....and many of them should't carry a gun neither.
You have been watching to many movies. Most police officers have a lot of training to avoid ever using a firearm. The fact that an officer had to use a firearm means the operation did not work as planned. Police officers like coming home to their family and friends just as anyone. Getting into a gunfight lowers the odds that the officer will come home unscathed.
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You have been watching to many movies. Most police officers have a lot of training to avoid ever using a firearm. The fact that an officer had to use a firearm means the operation did not work as planned. Police officers like coming home to their family and friends just as anyone. Getting into a gunfight lowers the odds that the officer will come home unscathed.
Actually that's not even close to true here. In this area our mandated training hours with firearms is twice the length of every other training that we go through with the exception of legal. And for in service, we only have 1 legal per year but a minimum of 2 range in services. There is an extremely high priority put on firearms training and a firearm and a badge are the only pieces of equipment we are actually requested to carry off duty.
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Actually that's not even close to true here. In this area our mandated training hours with firearms is twice the length of every other training that we go through with the exception of legal. And for in service, we only have 1 legal per year but a minimum of 2 range in services. There is an extremely high priority put on firearms training and a firearm and a badge are the only pieces of equipment we are actually requested to carry off duty.
All police officers in NC just got a grant for training in dealing with the mentally ill. It only took two mentally ill persons getting shot in a couple weeks for the funding to trickle down. Some officers are getting training in dealing with cybercrime. Wake county is sending officers to school to examine fair equipment after 5 people were injured on fair rides this year. NC must put a lot more effort in training their officers.

I know it to be a fact, in this county it is policy not to apprehend a flight risk or armed person alone. If they have time to get organized they will capture most people without incident.

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