[Gonzilla]

Originally Posted by Overkill0084

In racing, speed costs money. Similarly, in the firearms world, accuracy costs money. How much are you willing to spend?
Me, I'd hunt down a S&W 41 and work from there. Throw enough Volquartsen parts at a Ruger and your up in S&W 41 price range quickly.

Yes, it adds up quickly but sometimes a simple Volq. $80-100 accuracy kit and it will equal the SW 41s performance. Beyond that as a "base line" it gets expensive and unfortunately, you pay much but improvement is only by degree.

To stir the pot, I have a High Standard Victor that I believe will outshoot a 41 in a ransom rest but just by a little - Ruger 5.5 bull barrel is $300, HS $6-700, 41 is $941 then it jumps to $2K area. Even base line models are getting better but we should never underestimate mans ability to produce a lemon...

[bcarroll]

I have to agree the victor is a fine gun. And yes some individual guns out shoot other idividual guns per-say! BUT then again I read where you wrote that "you believe will out shoot a 41 " So I think it is safe to say you dont know for sure? HS company closed down. I hear there is a place in texas HS is still made? But have been warned to stay away from them. I wished I could answere the question asked with honesty. But this is the old ford verses chevy arguement. Buy the best base line gun you can afford. Learn to shoot it! Improve on its weakness as you learn them. Watch what others are useing and doing. As you shoot in the competitions. You will find shooting competition is a ever changing world.
And expensive in money, time and sweat if you want to do well in it. But first learn to enjoy it or all will be wasted time. Go with a ruger bull barrel. When you can shoot better than that gun. You wont need any advise on the next step.

[Gonzilla]

I "believe" because I outshot the guy w the SW 41. I asked to try the 41 and he was very generous. I have tried several SW 41s and so far, the Victor will outshoot them all but this is hardly scientific. The problem is removing the human element as much as possible. I'm sure there are 41's out there that will outshoot my Victor, I just haven't seen one yet.

The Hartford CT - High Standards are amazing but no one has been able to reproduce that success. I have no idea why, with all our technology, we can't build a better mousetrap. All I know for sure is that if I do my part, the Victor will put them all in the same hole. You can duplicate those results but, in general, it will cost you $$$.

For what it's worth, I also believe your advice about starting out w Ruger barrel first was spot on, not to mention cost-effective.

[hifibuf]

Why the bull barrel over the fluted barrel - as in the 6.88" Hunter model?

[Fisherking]

Originally Posted by Gonzilla

I "believe" because I outshot the guy w the SW 41. I asked to try the 41 and he was very generous. I have tried several SW 41s and so far, the Victor will outshoot them all but this is hardly scientific. The problem is removing the human element as much as possible. I'm sure there are 41's out there that will outshoot my Victor, I just haven't seen one yet.

The Hartford CT - High Standards are amazing but no one has been able to reproduce that success. I have no idea why, with all our technology, we can't build a better mousetrap. All I know for sure is that if I do my part, the Victor will put them all in the same hole. You can duplicate those results but, in general, it will cost you $$$.

For what it's worth, I also believe your advice about starting out w Ruger barrel first was spot on, not to mention cost-effective.

My Hamden Con. shoots realy well too. was it only the Hartford guns that seemed to have the magic juju. LOL

F.K.

[mikeyd]

I have a neos with a red dot on it and it does extremely well with match rim fire ammo

[tommyboy]

Ruger mark II or III is a great place to start. I own a few different models, my favorite is my 22/45. I can out shoot by brother and his buck mark any day. He has a red dot on his and I just shoot open sights. But practice practice practice. I've got easy, over 10000 rounds through my 22/45 alone and I'm still getting better with every shot. And you can't argue that with all the aftermarket stuff out there for the Mark series, you can really build a great gun!

[Hairtrigger]

I will be odd man and vote for the Browning Buckmark.
If you want a gun that you can buy lots of aftermarket goodies for then buy a Ruger

[Mandy]

New to the game, just got it in december, shoots like a dream

MKIII Target comes tapped with the rail included, sweeeet.....

[Durangokid]

I have been shooting "Paper" for decades. The S&W Mdl. 41 was there decades ago. We also had High Standard. HS didn't make it, shooters were not buying them. The S&W Mdl. 41 is still here, there is a reason for that.