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Old 11-03-2011, 01:09 PM   #11
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I'm torn by this statement. I can see the benefit of having this information stored yet I don't like the idea of someone storing this information on me.
You don't like the idea of someone storing THIS information? There is way more dangerous information being stored on you. Medical information, financial information, comings and goings, etc.
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:17 PM   #12
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I'm not sure what you mean? ATF is forbiddeen by Federal law from computerizing the data contained in the 4473. Even after the dealer goes out of business and sends his records to the ATF, they keep the paper files for trace purposes. I have had more than one gun traced through ATF. IT takes about 3-4 weeks to get the reply. They can usually tell me who the initial buyer was. In the case of burglaries/thefts, I have had ATF find serial numbers for guns purchased by my victims so I can enter them as stolen.

There was a period where ATF computerized the old 4473 data. When Congress found out, they ordered ATF to cease, desist and destroy what they had compiled. I believe this was a part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

They know exactly what to do with it...what Congress told them to do with it.
We also seen how that worked out for selling guns to Straw Buyers. I'm pretty sure the ATF is "forbidden" to do a lot of things. The question is; are they actually following those guidelines? I don't think so.
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I've been fingerprinted for my employment.
I've been buying hunting and fishing license since I was 10 years old (I'm 45 now).
I've been an NRA member as long as I can remember.
I subscribe to gun magazines.
I been buying, selling, trading guns all of my adult life.
Nowadays, I often use a credit card for guns/ammo purchase.
I am expecting a CCW permit within 30 days.
I belong to a gun club and shoot weekly.
For years, I rented gunshow tables and traded there.
I write my elected officials regarding issues of liberty and gun rights.
There is a very large pile of 4473's spread out all over the country with my name on them.
I own a home, so my address is public record.
I have a driver license, an FCC license and a biometric Federal ID.
I have personal friends with FFL's, SOT's and some specialize in Class 3, are manufacturers or play with *destructive devices*.
I participate in several firearm internet forums.
I use Google and their services (this may be the most dangerous).

If I ain't on *the list (tm)* yet, I'm not trying hard enough.

When the kill drones go up, I won't be at the top of the list but maybe somewhere toward the bottom...small potatoes that I am.

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I've been fingerprinted for my employment.
I've been buying hunting and fishing license since I was 10 years old (I'm 45 now).
I've been an NRA member as long as I can remember.
I subscribe to gun magazines.
I been buying, selling, trading guns all of my adult life.
Nowadays, I often use a credit card for guns/ammo purchase.
I am expecting a CCW permit within 30 days.
I belong to a gun club and shoot weekly.
For years, I rented gunshow tables and traded there.
I write my elected officials regarding issues of liberty and gun rights.
There is a very large pile of 4473's spread out all over the country with my name on them.
I own a home, so my address is public record.
I have a driver license, an FCC license and a biometric Federal ID.
I have personal friends with FFL's, SOT's and some specialize in Class 3, are manufacturers or play with *destructive devices*.
I participate in several firearm internet forums.
I use Google and their services (this may be the most dangerous).

If I ain't on *the list (tm)* yet, I'm not trying hard enough.

When the kill drones go up, I won't be at the top of the list but maybe somewhere toward the bottom...small potatoes that I am.
True!! If there is a "list" I know that I'm on it. nothing I can do about it, so I don't worry about it all that much. if 1984 ever actually happens, I'll tell them I sold all my guns during the "great depression of 2011" to put food on the table.

--uh...because that's what I actually did...sold them at a gun show to some guy named John. he was slightly overweight, medium build, brownish hair, short hair cut....sorry I don't remember his last name....
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Cuda- you getting senile or something? The same guy bought my guns at the same show. Pretty sure his name was Ted. Well, Theodore, but you kept calling him Ted. Polish last name. Kaszinskah-something.

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You don't like the idea of someone storing THIS information? There is way more dangerous information being stored on you. Medical information, financial information, comings and goings, etc.
I can't agree any more with this statement. You and I, sir, are on the same page.....I believe.
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