[anm2_man]

Originally Posted by NGIB

Ok, you're in front of a group at say the local PTA and you have to explain to these non-gun types why you "need" a full-auto gun. You cannot use the vague terms "it's my right", "2nd amendment", or "zombie apocalypse". What do you say to these folks to convince them you're just a normal person - that wants a full-auto weapon.

Remember, the anti's can spin you needing a full-auto and come up with terrible what-if scenarios. While you may not feel the need to justify your actions or desires, we NEED the support or at least the tacit approval of non-gun types to achieve the freedoms we desire. We must focus on battles that we can fight and win now. We've made good strides in the past few years but if we grab for to much to fast we can easily turn folks against us. IMHO, the vast majority of non-gun folks still fear guns and nothing is more scary to them than the full-auto assault rifes that are always mentioned (in error) on the evening news...

Jesus - Don't go off on this deep end. Owning Full autos are not different than owning a cellar of Old Wine. Yes the Anti's can go off, but for 20+ years, they haven't figured out what those laws are. It takes a majority to change Post laws. Remember to vote this Nov. and make it count ! - talk to your neighbors, and make sure they vote right. Thats what we have to do.

[M14sRock]

I have no issues at all discussing gun control or machine guns at PTA meetings or anywhere else. Most people have been misled about guns and don't have a strong opinion against them.

If I explained that legally owned FA's are highly regulated and the owners thoroughly checked out by uncle sugar for months, they would probably be surprised. And that there has only ever been one crime committed with one.

If I explain that the reason FA are not completely illegal is because the court was afraid that, as military style arms they were protected by the 2A, they could be taxed but not banned, people start paying attention.

A calm, rational discussion that points out the facts of gun ownership is hard for an Anti to counter effectively. I've never had a conversation with an Anti, and had them come out on top. Never. All they have is emotion. I've had them storm away pissed, but never win.

My office is on the west side of L.A. Most people assume that the hoity toity westside folk are all anti gun. Wrong. Last month I sent an email to everyone in my company to see if any of them wanted to go to the range. Not a single person responded with anger or negativity. Many were shocked, but very curious. Several politely declined. But 32 of them ended up accompanying me to the range.

We were there from 08:25 to 18:45. I had a rabidly anti gun girl come and bring her dad. He is English and thinks (thought!) all guns should be destroyed. They had a blast, and want to take some classes. He could not wait to tell all his lefty friends that he went shooting and loved it. Hmm...Another guy had his 9yo son hammering away with a rented SigSauer P229 in .40SW. They are both hooked. A woman brought her husband and now they want private lessons and 2 guns. Another wants a gun and lessons. The list goes on....

And now everyone is asking me to do it again next month, and saying they will bring more people.

I still have about 20 guns left to clean, just in time to dirty them up again, but do not care. Converting people is awesome.

So, I have no problem calmly discussing any form of gun control with people.

[UnderFire]

Originally Posted by M14sRock

Converting people is awesome.

So, I have no problem calmly discussing any form of gun control with people.

Outside of electing the proper officials to help with gun rights...

Educating the general public IS the key...
they always hear the bad never the good & fun about guns.

M14sRock,
Good Work!! Keep It Up!!

[pagj17]

Originally Posted by NGIB

I take exception to your exception. If you have the funds - you can buy a machine gun right now. The folks in Chicago, NYC, and (many in) California (among others) CANNOT carry regardless of how much money they have.

You just don't have the $$$, these folks are blocked by the law - now which is more important?

We can To in Cali... as long as our CLEO approves it. there's one county that i'm aware of, that acts as a Shall Issue... the rest well... Orange County was getting sued, because the CLEO refused to recognize cause to issue it....
And for open carry, well, it only takes me a half second extra to load it.... sorta.
and that half second MIGHT be my life....
Okay so that was sorta a satirical stance.

I am moving to AZ or WA right after the 2012 elections. I wanna evict Fienstein(lol, it wants me to correct her name to Frankenstein... how awesome) and Boxer first.
How about we set our sights on repealing the GCA of 1968, and knock everything out piece by piece on the ascension. We take the same "stance" as the Liberals have since the way early 1900s, and don't stop until we succeed.
Remember, it's really not Obamacare, because this medical care overhaul isn't even HALF of what Roosevelt ever dreamed of.

[pagj17]

Originally Posted by SnoMan

....until they reopen the registry I'm not going to help you with your CC cause."

We need to help each other. As long as we don't, we'll keep losing our liberties.

Hold on...
Doesn't statement B Contradict statement A?

[pagj17]

Originally Posted by M14sRock

I have no issues at all discussing gun control or machine guns at PTA meetings or anywhere else. Most people have been misled about guns and don't have a strong opinion against them.

If I explained that legally owned FA's are highly regulated and the owners thoroughly checked out by uncle sugar for months, they would probably be surprised. And that there has only ever been one crime committed with one.

If I explain that the reason FA are not completely illegal is because the court was afraid that, as military style arms they were protected by the 2A, they could be taxed but not banned, people start paying attention.

A calm, rational discussion that points out the facts of gun ownership is hard for an Anti to counter effectively. I've never had a conversation with an Anti, and had them come out on top. Never. All they have is emotion. I've had them storm away pissed, but never win.

My office is on the west side of L.A. Most people assume that the hoity toity westside folk are all anti gun. Wrong. Last month I sent an email to everyone in my company to see if any of them wanted to go to the range. Not a single person responded with anger or negativity. Many were shocked, but very curious. Several politely declined. But 32 of them ended up accompanying me to the range.

We were there from 08:25 to 18:45. I had a rabidly anti gun girl come and bring her dad. He is English and thinks (thought!) all guns should be destroyed. They had a blast, and want to take some classes. He could not wait to tell all his lefty friends that he went shooting and loved it. Hmm...Another guy had his 9yo son hammering away with a rented SigSauer P229 in .40SW. They are both hooked. A woman brought her husband and now they want private lessons and 2 guns. Another wants a gun and lessons. The list goes on....

And now everyone is asking me to do it again next month, and saying they will bring more people.

I still have about 20 guns left to clean, just in time to dirty them up again, but do not care. Converting people is awesome.

So, I have no problem calmly discussing any form of gun control with people.

sorry for quoting the whole thing, but three questions.
when ya going next, and where at? And, would it be possible for my dad and I to(possibly) join ya'll.
If so, I've got some 22s i'm not TOO worried about sharing, an ar15 and twelve gauge that I'll watch closer,
and maybe my dad'll lend out the 9mm and 40( sig 2009 and S&W Sigma, respectively)

[M14sRock]

Originally Posted by pagj17

sorry for quoting the whole thing, but three questions.
when ya going next, and where at? And, would it be possible for my dad and I to(possibly) join ya'll.
If so, I've got some 22s i'm not TOO worried about sharing, an ar15 and twelve gauge that I'll watch closer,
and maybe my dad'll lend out the 9mm and 40( sig 2009 and S&W Sigma, respectively)

No set schedule, I am at one of our local shooting hotspots pretty regularly. This event took place at Oak Tree Gun Club near Saugus.

Always possible for you to attend, but sometimes the decision to go is spur of the moment when my wife tells me to "go shooting". And if I'm at Oak Tree by myself you would fine me on a skeet field, not the pistol range.

[pagj17]

Well later tonight i'll see just how far that is, and if it's close enough I'll bring all the cool tools I can the next time you take a "work party" lol

[M14sRock]

Originally Posted by pagj17

Well later tonight i'll see just how far that is, and if it's close enough I'll bring all the cool tools I can the next time you take a "work party" lol

From the IE on a Saturday morning it will take a long time. But they open at 0800 so that would only take about an hour at that time.

[skydriver]

Originally Posted by NGIB

There's about as much chance of this happening in today's political climate as me winning the Powerball lottery. There isn't even handgun carry allowed everywhere and this would help more folks than Class 3 stuff...

No one ever thought the 1994 ban would ever be let to expire either but it did and we have won some major victories since.

Since then, here in Kansas the Concealed Carry and Class III bans have both been over turned ... I believe there is hope!