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Old 01-11-2013, 09:45 AM   #1
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I think I would have reconsidered getting an FFl if I had known how few guns would be available to me. Being a small dealer stinks. I am very frustrated with what is instock. I am associated with Davidsons, Lipsey's, LM Burney, Independant Sports Supply, Zanders, Green Supply, RSR, Shooting Sports, OMB, GAS, Williams, SOG, Armalite, Interstate Arms, MGE, and Century arms. Of all of those I can not even seem to obtain the simplest items at any price. Am I missing something? Is there some trick of the trade I don't know yet to order guns or what. Is another wholesaler available that actually has something instock that will deal with a small dealer?

I really wish at this point I had back all the money I invested in this and I could just go back and not do it. I will not renew my license when it expires if this is how it always is.

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Old 01-11-2013, 10:09 AM   #2
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We just had a fun shop open in my town. He got wiped out at Christmas and he said he only has three guns coming in. He has the same problem.

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All of us small timers are having the same problem. I've been ordering a lot of .22s and they are still available and selling well.

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This is from Natural News on status of stuff (mags, ammo, weapons, etc.)

Locally, Sportsman's Warehouse is near empty, except for the odd calibers. Walmart is the same. Shotgun shells are medium to full status. When pistol and rifle rounds are gone, the public will move to shotgun shells.

Weapons locally, is ugly for pistols (semi and revolver), rifles that are semi are empty, Alot of standard long rifles and shotguns, Remington, Ruger, etc. still remain on the shelves.

I was in Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday morning, the line before the store opened was started around 5:30 or 6:00 in the morning, store opened at 9:00 in the morning. When the store opened, line of about 100 plus. People obtained carts and headed straight for the ammo area, well the truck was late.

I did the standard, went to ammo, picked a couple of boxes of 38 Special and some 45 ACP. From the looks of it, they wanted .223, 9mm or even .22LR ammo and weapons, either pistol and rifle.

I was going to the range this morning, way too windy, paper targets not allowed. Only steel at 25 yards. It would have been a waste of precious ammo.

Nationwide ammo shortage so severe that even cops can't buy bullets; ammo rationing imminent

http://www.naturalnews.com/038632_ammo_shortage_police.html

NaturalNews) One of the great myths of modern society is that the police are heavily armed and have both ammo and personnel in huge numbers. In reality, it's quite the opposite: police and sheriffs are dangerously under-staffed all across the country in nearly every city and town. Furthermore, severe budget cuts have left law enforcement with dwindling ammunition supplies. In some departments, it's so bad that nearly the only ammo available is what officers are carrying on their duty belts.

And now it has just gotten far worse.

Thanks to outrageous Sandy Hook fear mongering by the mainstream media and political operatives like Feinstein, Obama, Cuomo and others, the American people have been rushing out to buy up every bullet, every rifle, every handgun and very nearly every gun-related product in the country. This is all because people like Biden, Obama and Feinstein are openly declaring war on the Second Amendment and threatening to outlaw or restrict firearms, magazines and ammunition.

"Channel 2 Action News has learned local police departments cannot get their hands on the ammunition they need," reports WSBTV in Atlanta.

WSBTV continues:

"There's been more demand for ammunition than there's ever been," reports Jay Wallace, owner of Smyrna Police Distributors in Cobb County. Wallace is now worried some departments could have to wait up to a year for factories to ship certain kinds of rounds in bulk. Leaders with most [police] departments ... said they're prepared to handle short shortages, but not long-term. "We're going be starting to get very concerned at the six-month level if that's all we have in stock, because then we have to start planning and rationing.

Rationing? Yep. It's here already, and the global debt collapse hasn't even begun yet!

Ammunition inventory status
The mass rush by citizens to purchase ammunition ahead of an Obama / Biden unconstitutional (and unlawful) executive order banning such sales has resulted in the near-depletion of available ammunition as follows:

• Rifle rounds are completely gone everywhere.
• Shotgun shells are somewhat more available but still limited.
• Handgun rounds are limited and becoming difficult to find.
• 22LR rounds are completely gone. Lesser-known varmint rounds such as .17 HMR are still available.

The backlog of ammunition demand now exceeds one year. The backlog demand for rifle magazines now exceeds one million units. The demand for rifles themselves has reached record levels, with a one-year backlog on production just to meet present-day demand.

Here are some of the messages you'll see across the internet right now at online retailers' websites:

Cheaper Than Dirt:
Consumer reaction to the political rhetoric after the shooting in CT caused a rush of online orders at Cheaper Than Dirt! which led to the largest backlog in the company's history. Ammunition and shooting accessories orders more than tripled, resulting in week-long shipping delays. The past three weeks have been spent catching up on the tremendous backlog of orders, training additional staff and increasing inventory back to acceptable levels. ...firearms that are in high demand are not currently available from manufacturers due to the lack of inventory. This includes most modern sporting rifles.

Ammo To Go
EXPECT DELAYS: Due to high order volume, we are experiencing a shipping delay of 22-24 business days...

Midway USA
ALL AR-15 magazines currently showing "out of stock, NO backorder."

Brownells
Due to extreme order volumes, shipments may be delayed. We will continue to make every effort to get orders out the door as quickly as possible.

Why this matters: Social unrest
Here's why all this matters. In a time of social unrest, cops are your best friends. Without cops on the streets, every major U.S. city would devolve into a gang-infested crap-hole within 72 hours or less. Cops are the men and women in blue who prevent the more malicious members of the human race from expressing the kind of evil sons of bitches they really are deep inside.

If you think humanity is "inherently GOOD," you've never been a cop! Ask any cop and they'll tell you the far less fashionable truth: People are inherently EVIL, selfish, deceptive and dangerous. That's why we need cops in the first place, isn't it? To keep some criminal-minded dirtbag from breaking into your home, stealing your jewelry and raping your dog. (Or whatever it is they do.)

Cops get a bad rap in peace time, of course, but in a collapse scenario -- or something worse -- you'll be begging for 911 to function so you can dial a phone and have (relatively) friendly men with guns arrive at your doorstep.

Society needs cops to prevent criminals from running rampant across neighborhoods and pillaging to their heart's delight. Or, better yet, society needs every household to own a rifle, a shotgun and a handgun for their own defense, but unfortunately that's not yet the case in America. (Although it nearly is in Switzerland.)

So what happens when cops run out of bullets?

It's not good. Not unless you're a gang member just waiting to commit mayhem all over town.

If gang bangers ever figure out that the cops are out of bullets, it will be all-out war in many U.S. cities, including Miami, LA, Detroit, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia and NYC. A disarmed police force is no police force at all, since it's only really the threat of high-velocity lead that actually stops bad people from doing bad things. (Criminals don't care if you ask nice. They are only motivated by their own survival.)

It also means that the feds will have a strong ammunition advantage over local cops and sheriffs, since the U.S. federal government has been stockpiling 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition domestically, right here in the United States.

Why does this matter? Here's why:

Will states resist a federal gun grab?
Think about where all this is headed, folks: Wyoming lawmakers have already announced their "Firearms Protection Act" which would make it a felony crime for feds to restrict or confiscate guns from the citizens of Wyoming. It reads as follows:

Any official, agent or employee of the United States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured... in Wyoming... shall be guilty of a FELONY and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not less than one year...

Yeah, I didn't make that up. Wyoming folks are serious about their rifles and their ammo... as are folks in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Texas, Kentucky, Maine and practically every rural area across the country. It's very likely that Texas, Arizona and other states may follow Wyoming's example and seek to criminalize federal gun grabbers.

If Obama's gun control schemes turn out to be foolishly aggressive, this could set off a state's rights showdown between the feds and local law enforcement. But if the feds have all the ammo, where will state peace officers find ammunition to defend the people of their state?

The answer is YOU. It will ultimately be YOUR ammo that will be needed to defend states against an anti-America, anti-Constitution federal tyranny that attempts to invade and overrun states. The People, of course, have always been the common defense against tyranny. In the Constitution, this is referred to as the militia.

Hopefully it won't get that bad and cooler heads will prevail, but given where things appear to be headed, all this could become very relevant more quickly than you think. It's a good thing the citizens of America purchase over 1 billion rounds of ammo in the last month, as they may very well become the source of ammo for a common defense against domestic enemies of America.

Rifle inventory update
Here's the latest info in terms of rifle manufactures:

Noveske Rifleworks = SOLD OUT
POF-USA = SOLD OUT
Rock River Arms = SOLD OUT
Bushmaster = SOLD OUT
Barrett = SOLD OUT
DPMS = SOLD OUT
... and on and on.

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that station or agency in Georgia was only looking to purchase 1500 rounds according to the article.

I have to wonder, how extensive of a police training exercise could you embark on with only 1500 rounds, that's only 50-75 filled mags depending on their size and i would think they'd burn through that in one day, if not an afternoon.

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that station or agency in Georgia was only looking to purchase 1500 rounds according to the article.

I have to wonder, how extensive of a police training exercise could you embark on with only 1500 rounds, that's only 50-75 filled mags depending on their size and i would think they'd burn through that in one day, if not an afternoon.


1500 rounds? please! While I was at a certain military service academy, we had a "practical shooting team" which was more of a club because received almost no support from the school, although they did provide us with ammunition. --we shot mostly IDPA/IPSC at local clubs on the weekends, and once a year we would join the other 2 service academies in a competition that had modified IDPA rules.

anyway, our team of 10-15 guys would burn through 1500 rounds in about an hour and a half of practice. we would do "line firing" with paper targets, doing the "draw, shoot 2, reload, shoot 2, reload, shoot 2" routine for 30-45 minutes, all at your own pace -- line was hot, and you could shoot as many rounds as you could burn through. Then we would spend another 30-45 minutes with a stage set up, where each person would run through "under time" shooting and moving like what happens in competition.

we did this twice a week. then we would attend local matches nearly every weekend, although, as other competitors know, a standard shooting match would only require about 150-200 rounds per person.


so for an entire department to say "we have 1500 rounds for the department" is downright scarey.

poop, I have about 1,000 rounds of each of my 3 calibers on hand right now, and that's just for me!
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Yesterday and today I visited two very good sized LGSs. Any places with 12 and 6 salesmen on duty should not be considered Mom & Pop.

They are both just about dry of everything- and having to deal with REALLY rude people that have their heads up and locked. No, we don't have the rifle you want. No, we don't have a couple in the back room. No, we cannot order one for you. Our supplier has advised us he is not accepting any more orders. Yes, you are welcome to take your business elsewhere- but I will tell you I have talked with shops A. B. C and D- and we are all in the same boat. So is Walmart.

No, you cannot buy all of our ammo in that caliber. As the big sign says. limited to one box per customer- 2 boxes w/ a new gun sale. Yes, you can take your business somewhere else. If you FIND ammo for sale, let me know.

No sir, we are sold out of primers. Because a supply that usually lasts us for 4 months was bought in the past week. Yes, you can take.....

Customers are getting very vocal and panicky. Right now, the size of your shop does not matter- the supply pipeline has been sucked dry. One shop actually asked me if I had factory ammo I wanted to resell to them. (tempting!)

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Now...I don't know for sure on this but, yesterday I had a salesman tell me the restocking of ammunition will be slow due to the freight trucks can only carry so much of it on their trucks at one time due to the placarding of explosives and that amount is pretty small on your average delivery semi (?). He told me it would be quite awhile before they could come even close to having the popular rounds back on the shelves. I'm not a truck driver but, if that's true, is there anyone out there who can support this or not who might/does know for sure?

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Now...I don't know for sure on this but, yesterday I had a salesman tell me the restocking of ammunition will be slow due to the freight trucks can only carry so much of it on their trucks at one time due to the placarding of explosives and that amount is pretty small on your average delivery semi (?). He told me it would be quite awhile before they could come even close to having the popular rounds back on the shelves. I'm not a truck driver but, if that's true, is there anyone out there who can support this or not who might/does know for sure?
Yes it is true. Actually to be precise any ttuck that's not explosive ordinance placarded shouldn't carry ANY ammo but the do.
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Yesterday and today I visited two very good sized LGSs. Any places with 12 and 6 salesmen on duty should not be considered Mom & Pop.

They are both just about dry of everything- and having to deal with REALLY rude people that have their heads up and locked. No, we don't have the rifle you want. No, we don't have a couple in the back room. No, we cannot order one for you. Our supplier has advised us he is not accepting any more orders. Yes, you are welcome to take your business elsewhere- but I will tell you I have talked with shops A. B. C and D- and we are all in the same boat. So is Walmart.

No, you cannot buy all of our ammo in that caliber. As the big sign says. limited to one box per customer- 2 boxes w/ a new gun sale. Yes, you can take your business somewhere else. If you FIND ammo for sale, let me know.

No sir, we are sold out of primers. Because a supply that usually lasts us for 4 months was bought in the past week. Yes, you can take.....

Customers are getting very vocal and panicky. Right now, the size of your shop does not matter- the supply pipeline has been sucked dry. One shop actually asked me if I had factory ammo I wanted to resell to them. (tempting!)
Yepp, have seen and heard those same scenarios at my local gun shops too. Its actually made the employees complete dicks but hey they can only take so many 12 hour days at this pace....dealing with more idiot noobs than they ever imagined
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