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 10-29-2009, 06:18 PM | #1 | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 |  New Posts Zanders undercutting FFL's with retail websites.
I could be wrong but it looks like Zanders is trying to go retail.
Two web sites are identical to Zanders.
The Outdoor Connections
Huntingstuff
A WHOIS search revealed that all three web sites
are hosted by the same folks:
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"Creative Business Services, In" owns about 50 other domains
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is associated with about 51 domains
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1 registrar
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3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
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3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
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11 records have been archived since 2008-01-14 .
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52 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
Creative Business Services, In
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190
Administrative Contact:
Fugi, Roscoe
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190
Technical Contact:
Fugi, Roscoe
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190
Record last updated 09-08-2008 02:16:00 PM
Record expires on 09-06-2010
Record created on 09-06-2007
Domain servers in listed order:
NSL.C-B-S-I.NET 216.63.57.101
NS2.C-B-S-I.NET 66.93.192.211
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| 10-29-2009, 10:30 PM | #2 | Dirty Old Man, Emiritus Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Third bunker on the right, Central Virginia Posts: 7,293 |
Perhaps- but if you are buying a firearm, it will still need to go thru a FFL. Checked their price on the Ruger Mk III I just bought, and they are $15 higher than I paid at local dealer- without the shipping and FFL fee I would pay to buy from them. __________________
What we have heah is.... failure to communicate. |
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| 10-30-2009, 03:11 AM | #3 | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 1,126 |
OK, so they are both using the same web designer. So what?
c3: Which flavor MK III did you get? And what do you think of it? __________________
What is this 100m you speak of?! Here in AMERICA we shoot in YARDS boy, a meter is something I use to measure voltage with.
-- Dillinger
Wer anderen etwas vorgedacht, wird jahrelang nur ausgelacht.
Begreift man die Entdeckung endlich, so nennt sie jeder selbstverständlich.
-- Wilhelm Busch
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| 10-30-2009, 03:23 AM | #4 | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 |
The websites don't use the same designer, they are the same website.
As an FFL, it is disconcerting that your wholesaler is making it virtually impossible to sell firearms. __________________
The Peoples So******ts Republic of Illinois
BEER IS GOOD FOOD!
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| 10-30-2009, 04:13 AM | #5 | Dirty Old Man, Emiritus Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Third bunker on the right, Central Virginia Posts: 7,293 |
6" blued pencil barrel, fixed sights. Just getting it broken in- only about 300 rds so far, shoots great, much better mag release than my old Ruger Standard. digests any 22 LR I have put in it.
As far as wholesaler going to direct retail, yes, that would be a problem- but for firearms, customer will still need a FFL- Some folks refuse to do transfers- others charge an arm and a leg- and some smart folks charge a reasonable price for a transfer- and also sell them ammo, scope, case, cleaning supplies, etc- and probably their next gun.
I have an 03 FFL, but still need an 01 for newer guns. Some folk in this area charge $100, some charge $20. __________________
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| 10-30-2009, 04:28 AM | #6 | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6 |
Yes, I understand. Most of my business are $20 transfers.
I just think its a crappy thing to do. A business is either a wholesaler or a retailer, not both. __________________
The Peoples So******ts Republic of Illinois
BEER IS GOOD FOOD!
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| 11-09-2009, 04:44 AM | #7 | Vendor Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 414 |
Yep, they are the same sites with the same inventory at least with the handguns that I checked. They are all about $40.00 over wholesale. Your wholesaler is you competitor? Not sure what to think of this. | |
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| 11-28-2009, 11:56 AM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 179 | Don't see prices
Do youi have to have your license on file with them to see prices on the website you linked rubble? __________________
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| 11-28-2009, 12:30 PM | #9 | mmmmm...... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maiden, NC Posts: 9,542 |
I've never even heard of them. Where did they get started? __________________
If the pain is lacking so is the discipline...
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| 03-05-2010, 01:08 AM | #10 | Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bayfield, Colorado, Colorado Posts: 23 |
I usually ask $10-$25 for transfers, depending upon how much of the transaction the Buyer wants me to do...like bidding on an Internet auction in his behalf.
Those who ask $75-$100 for a transfer are usually trying to punish the Buyer for not buying from them. Vote with your feet...never go back. | |
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