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Old 10-29-2009, 05:18 PM   #1
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Default New Posts Zanders undercutting FFL's with retail websites.



I could be wrong but it looks like Zanders is trying to go retail.

Two web sites are identical to Zanders.

The Outdoor Connections
Huntingstuff

A WHOIS search revealed that all three web sites
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"Creative Business Services, In" owns about 50 other domains
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Creative Business Services, In
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
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636-227-5190

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240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
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Manchester, MO 63021
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636-227-5190

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Old 10-29-2009, 09:30 PM   #2
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Perhaps- but if you are buying a firearm, it will still need to go thru a FFL. Checked their price on the Ruger Mk III I just bought, and they are $15 higher than I paid at local dealer- without the shipping and FFL fee I would pay to buy from them.

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OK, so they are both using the same web designer. So what?

c3: Which flavor MK III did you get? And what do you think of it?

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The websites don't use the same designer, they are the same website.

As an FFL, it is disconcerting that your wholesaler is making it virtually impossible to sell firearms.

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6" blued pencil barrel, fixed sights. Just getting it broken in- only about 300 rds so far, shoots great, much better mag release than my old Ruger Standard. digests any 22 LR I have put in it.

As far as wholesaler going to direct retail, yes, that would be a problem- but for firearms, customer will still need a FFL- Some folks refuse to do transfers- others charge an arm and a leg- and some smart folks charge a reasonable price for a transfer- and also sell them ammo, scope, case, cleaning supplies, etc- and probably their next gun.

I have an 03 FFL, but still need an 01 for newer guns. Some folk in this area charge $100, some charge $20.

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Yes, I understand. Most of my business are $20 transfers.

I just think its a crappy thing to do. A business is either a wholesaler or a retailer, not both.

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Yep, they are the same sites with the same inventory at least with the handguns that I checked. They are all about $40.00 over wholesale. Your wholesaler is you competitor? Not sure what to think of this.

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Do youi have to have your license on file with them to see prices on the website you linked rubble?

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I've never even heard of them. Where did they get started?

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I usually ask $10-$25 for transfers, depending upon how much of the transaction the Buyer wants me to do...like bidding on an Internet auction in his behalf.

Those who ask $75-$100 for a transfer are usually trying to punish the Buyer for not buying from them. Vote with your feet...never go back.

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