[rubble]

I could be wrong but it looks like Zanders is trying to go retail.

Two web sites are identical to Zanders.

The Outdoor Connections
Huntingstuff

A WHOIS search revealed that all three web sites
are hosted by the same folks:

Whois Record

Registrant Search:
"Creative Business Services, In" owns about 50 other domains
Email Search:
is associated with about 51 domains
Registrar History:
1 registrar
NS History:
3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
IP History:
3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
Whois History:
11 records have been archived since 2008-01-14 .
Reverse IP:
52 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
Creative Business Services, In
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190

Administrative Contact:
Fugi, Roscoe
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190

Technical Contact:
Fugi, Roscoe
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190

Record last updated 09-08-2008 02:16:00 PM
Record expires on 09-06-2010
Record created on 09-06-2007

Domain servers in listed order:
NSL.C-B-S-I.NET 216.63.57.101
NS2.C-B-S-I.NET 66.93.192.211

[c3shooter]

Perhaps- but if you are buying a firearm, it will still need to go thru a FFL. Checked their price on the Ruger Mk III I just bought, and they are $15 higher than I paid at local dealer- without the shipping and FFL fee I would pay to buy from them.

[Highpower]

OK, so they are both using the same web designer. So what?

c3: Which flavor MK III did you get? And what do you think of it?

[rubble]

The websites don't use the same designer, they are the same website.

As an FFL, it is disconcerting that your wholesaler is making it virtually impossible to sell firearms.

[c3shooter]

6" blued pencil barrel, fixed sights. Just getting it broken in- only about 300 rds so far, shoots great, much better mag release than my old Ruger Standard. digests any 22 LR I have put in it.

As far as wholesaler going to direct retail, yes, that would be a problem- but for firearms, customer will still need a FFL- Some folks refuse to do transfers- others charge an arm and a leg- and some smart folks charge a reasonable price for a transfer- and also sell them ammo, scope, case, cleaning supplies, etc- and probably their next gun.

I have an 03 FFL, but still need an 01 for newer guns. Some folk in this area charge $100, some charge $20.

[rubble]

Yes, I understand. Most of my business are $20 transfers.

I just think its a crappy thing to do. A business is either a wholesaler or a retailer, not both.

[Bigcat_hunter]

Yep, they are the same sites with the same inventory at least with the handguns that I checked. They are all about $40.00 over wholesale. Your wholesaler is you competitor? Not sure what to think of this.

[RCHanlin]

Do youi have to have your license on file with them to see prices on the website you linked rubble?

[spittinfire]

I've never even heard of them. Where did they get started?

[ref441]

I usually ask $10-$25 for transfers, depending upon how much of the transaction the Buyer wants me to do...like bidding on an Internet auction in his behalf.

Those who ask $75-$100 for a transfer are usually trying to punish the Buyer for not buying from them. Vote with your feet...never go back.