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rubble 10-29-2009 05:18 PM

New Posts Zanders undercutting FFL's with retail websites.
 


I could be wrong but it looks like Zanders is trying to go retail.

Two web sites are identical to Zanders.

The Outdoor Connections
Huntingstuff

A WHOIS search revealed that all three web sites
are hosted by the same folks:

Whois Record

Registrant Search:
"Creative Business Services, In" owns about 50 other domains
Email Search:
is associated with about 51 domains
Registrar History:
1 registrar
NS History:
3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
IP History:
3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
Whois History:
11 records have been archived since 2008-01-14 .
Reverse IP:
52 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
Creative Business Services, In
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190

Administrative Contact:
Fugi, Roscoe
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190

Technical Contact:
Fugi, Roscoe
240 Old Sulphur Springs Rd
Manchester, MO 63021
US
636-227-5190

Record last updated 09-08-2008 02:16:00 PM
Record expires on 09-06-2010
Record created on 09-06-2007

Domain servers in listed order:
NSL.C-B-S-I.NET 216.63.57.101
NS2.C-B-S-I.NET 66.93.192.211







c3shooter 10-29-2009 09:30 PM

Perhaps- but if you are buying a firearm, it will still need to go thru a FFL. Checked their price on the Ruger Mk III I just bought, and they are $15 higher than I paid at local dealer- without the shipping and FFL fee I would pay to buy from them.

Highpower 10-30-2009 02:11 AM

OK, so they are both using the same web designer. So what?

c3: Which flavor MK III did you get? And what do you think of it?

rubble 10-30-2009 02:23 AM

The websites don't use the same designer, they are the same website.

As an FFL, it is disconcerting that your wholesaler is making it virtually impossible to sell firearms.

c3shooter 10-30-2009 03:13 AM

6" blued pencil barrel, fixed sights. Just getting it broken in- only about 300 rds so far, shoots great, much better mag release than my old Ruger Standard. digests any 22 LR I have put in it.

As far as wholesaler going to direct retail, yes, that would be a problem- but for firearms, customer will still need a FFL- Some folks refuse to do transfers- others charge an arm and a leg- and some smart folks charge a reasonable price for a transfer- and also sell them ammo, scope, case, cleaning supplies, etc- and probably their next gun.

I have an 03 FFL, but still need an 01 for newer guns. Some folk in this area charge $100, some charge $20.

rubble 10-30-2009 03:28 AM

Yes, I understand. Most of my business are $20 transfers.

I just think its a crappy thing to do. A business is either a wholesaler or a retailer, not both.

Bigcat_hunter 11-09-2009 03:44 AM

Yep, they are the same sites with the same inventory at least with the handguns that I checked. They are all about $40.00 over wholesale. Your wholesaler is you competitor? Not sure what to think of this.

RCHanlin 11-28-2009 10:56 AM

Don't see prices
 
Do youi have to have your license on file with them to see prices on the website you linked rubble?

spittinfire 11-28-2009 11:30 AM

I've never even heard of them. Where did they get started?

ref441 03-05-2010 12:08 AM

I usually ask $10-$25 for transfers, depending upon how much of the transaction the Buyer wants me to do...like bidding on an Internet auction in his behalf.

Those who ask $75-$100 for a transfer are usually trying to punish the Buyer for not buying from them. Vote with your feet...never go back.


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