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Old 02-06-2012, 11:08 PM   #1
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I have my class 7 license to manufacture class 3 weapons.
Just wondering do you have to send in the prototype of the silencer you want to build befor building it or can it be built prior to sending it in. also does a class 7 license make you exempt from paying the 200 sot fee?

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:43 PM   #2
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I believe you have skipped a very important part of joining the forum, please stop by the introductions and let us know who you are.
If you HAVE a class 7 license ( I have no idea what that is) to manufacture woulden't you know the answer to your own question

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you have to get permission first even for sot. your sot license does not exempt you from the 200$ tax per item to own them personally. your are eempt for the ones you sell to qualified individuals.

if your getting your license to make suppressors for your own use and dodge the taxes, it doesnt work that way. at some point the atf will knock on your door and inspect your books. if your not actually selling your suppressors to other people you get a free ride to jail.

this is sorta what happened to red jacket. they were telling the atf one thing and doing something else and when they got inspected they were facing jail time.

since your not connected to discovery channel and your prolly not a homicidal drug lord the atf will barbecue your rear end...

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As was said, I would expect a licensee to know this answer, or at least be professional enough to call your ATF liaison and not rely on some random interwebz poster to give you information that may or may not be factual.

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if your getting your license to make suppressors for your own use and dodge the taxes, it doesnt work that way. at some point the atf will knock on your door and inspect your books. if your not actually selling your suppressors to other people you get a free ride to jail.
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Yea, uhh.....


A manufacturing dealer can make as many as they want and keep them on the books as demo stock.
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I am wanting to manufacture them for sale. I have a class three license but when i applied for my ffl i marked the manufacturers box which i refer to as a class 7. I am trying to make sure i dont miss anything and am only looking for advice on the proper and correct way to do things. Whenever you speak with nfa and atf they give you answers with grey areas at times. Not looking to dodge the law and definitely doing my research before i take on this project. One thing i do is learn from my peers as much as they have to offer.

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As was said, I would expect a licensee to know this answer, or at least be professional enough to call your ATF liaison and not rely on some random interwebz poster to give you information that may or may not be factual.



Yea, uhh.....


A manufacturing dealer can make as many as they want and keep them on the books as demo stock.
its a fine line between making personal toys and "engaged in the business of selling". long as your selling them as a business and you can show that your truly engaged in trying to make a profit, your right, you can make a some demos. but if what your doing is making "demos" and not selling your going to be standing before a judge.

for the OP: call the atf nfa branch and ask them straight up if you have to get the serial numbers approved before you make the unit or after you make the unit.
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You can have am 07 license but that only allows you to manufacture or assemble guns, not silencers.
You must have a SOT, for an 07 FFL its a Class 2 SOT and this allows you to buy,sell,manufacture or repair silencers.

You do not need to send the ATF a print for a silencer that you manufacture. You do need to make it, register it with the ATF via Form 2, get it approved and then to a Form 4 to transfer it to an individual if you sell it to them. If you sell to another dealer that has an 02 or 03 SOT, then you need to do a Form 3 which is a tax exempt dealer to dealer transfer. It is time consuming.

The SOT costs 500 a year, if you make less than 500K a year and 1000 a year if you make more than that. It must be renenewed every year before June 1. Once you have the first one, the ATF will send you a renewal reminder sometime in April or May.

Its the SOT that exempts you from paying the 200 fee, not the FFL.

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Okay spoke with NFA finally. I have all the correct paperwork. (FFL manufacturers license plus the SOT) When manufacturing a product to sell you fill out the form 2 and send it in. If you are manufacturing for your self you do the form 4 and pay the tax. The 500 SOT license allows you to make up to a certain number after that number then you have to pay the 1000.00 SOT license. Was headed in the right direction just needed the form 2 instead of the other. Thanks for your input.

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