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Old 05-12-2014, 03:33 PM   #1
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The other day I visited a pawn shop in Elizabethtown Kentucky. When I was in there I was looking over some of their firearms, which were over priced. I noticed a gsg-5 2lr (mp-5 clone) and noticed something very wrong. This particular firearm had a short barrel with a short birdcage flash hider that was not permanently attached to the barrel. Upon closer inspection I came to the conclusion that this "rifle" had started life as a pistol and someone then put a stock on it making it a short barreled rifle. There was no one to be found in the store who worked there in the few minutes I was in there and had to leave. Once I got home I called the pawn shop and told them I believed that firearm to be a SBR, and then told them it was an illegal firearm as I understood the law. I told the gentleman he may want to I quire about the law because it could cost him his business if my understanding of the law was correct. This "gentleman" then proceeded to cuss me out and tell me that he would sell it as a pistol with a rifle stock, which I told him I didn't believe was legal. After a few more minutes of cussing me he hung the phone up. Was I wrong in calling him and telling him it might be worth looking into and informing him on my interpretation of the law? Be definitely was not pleased with my phone call at all.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:56 PM   #2
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I don't know enough to know whether you're correct or not. Calling and telling the guy that it might be worth a second look isn't out of line IMO. He'll be a lot more pissed if it turns out you are correct and he get's shut down and prosecuted.

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He should be pleased that you chose to inform him to inquire about it with his local ATF office. You could have just called the ATF directly. Maybe his shop is being used for a Bloomberg sting.
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I think I would have left it alone. I understand why you wanted to inform the gentleman. Unfortunately it sounds like he took your information as an insult. Some people just don't want to admit they might be wrong. But him knowing that the rifle might actually be an SBR might save a couple of people a headache.
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The shop might be a class 3 dealer, licensed to buy and sell short barreled rifles. But then, he could have told you that.


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Forgot to mention that. I asked if he was a class 3 dealer and he said no. I'll know next time to just keep my mouth shut. Does anyone know if I was right on my interpretation of the law? If a firearm starts out as a handgun and you put a stock on it out does make that firearm a SBR, correct?
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Forgot to mention that. I asked if he was a class 3 dealer and he said no. I'll know next time to just keep my mouth shut. Does anyone know if I was right on my interpretation of the law? If a firearm starts out as a handgun and you put a stock on it out does make that firearm a SBR, correct?
There are only a few very old (antique) pistols that could legally have a stock. Modern pistols cannot have a stock of any sort and would have to be licensed either as an AOW or SBR. I think it was thoughtful of you to point this out to him - his attitude is his problem and shouldn't deter you from trying to help others.
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If a firearm starts out as a handgun and you put a stock on it out does make that firearm a SBR, correct?
Yes , unless its a class 3 machine gun then its not considered a SBR . Machine guns classification has no length restrictions like building a SBR . But since he wasnt a class 3 dealer I doubt it was legal. I have seen a few class 3 dealers that arent sure exactly how the laws work. They usually call the BATFE if they have a question to make sure they are in the right and get their questions answered properly
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If I'd had been on the receiving end of getting cussed out for trying to be helpful I'd have a hard time not being the one to make that call to get him busted.


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If I'd had been on the receiving end of getting cussed out for trying to be helpful I'd have a hard time not being the one to make that call to get him busted.


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