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Old 04-01-2011, 11:52 PM   #1
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From my experience, hope it helps others:

DO NOT pay money for a so called “FFL kit” Most are out of date and incomplete. They sell you what you can DL or order from the ATF for free.

Everything you need to get your FFL is right on ATFE’s web pages.

Start here: ATF Online - Firearms - How To - Become An FFL

You can download the FFL application in PDF format, you can type it, save and print it;

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5310-12.pdf

Read through the application form to see if you legally qualify for a FFL, basically if you can legally purchase a gun, you qualify. Also you must have a place of business with set hours of operation. You must plan to make a profit.

You also need certificate of compliance form, you can’t save it, so when typed, print it out;

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Here are the instructions for the FFL application;
ATF Online - Forms - ATF F 5310.12 Instructions

You also need to 2 fingerprint cards; you can order them from ATF here:
Distribution Center Order Form

When you drop off copy 3 of your FFL application to the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer), they may be able to do your prints. The CLEO is usually the county Sheriff or the city Police Chief.

While there ask what state laws/licenses apply to your new gun business.
In New York State for instance you need a state dealer’s license to sell handguns. You also need a EIN, sales tax number and a few other things varying on your town or city or state.

Check with your local town or city to be sure your building can be used for business. The ATF IOI will want a letter from them stating that you can run a firearms business at your location.

You will also need three 2x2 color pictures (one for the CLEO copy). I took my own with my web cam, resized and printed on Kodak paper.

Mail your completed application, certificate of compliance form, print cards, pictures and fee to:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
PO Box 409567
Atlanta, Georgia 30384-9567 USA

After about 60 to 75 days or so, expect a visit from an Industry Operations Investigator (IOI), who will inspect your place of business, and go over regulations and paperwork with you. He or she will want proof that you can use your proposed place of business for business ie zoning letter, or business license.

The meeting will take 2 to 3 hours, but don't sweat it, as it is mostly educational.

If you ask, i have a list of the items the IOI will go over with you.

Another useful ATF dealer site, includes FFL newsletters etc;
ATF Online - Firearms - Industry

Lots of good downloadable references from ATF here:
ATF Online - Publications - Firearms

After you receive your FF you will need a Firearms Acquisition and Disposition record book. I bought mine here:
Gun Log Books / Firearms Acquisition and Disposition

Here is a list of firearms distributors:
Guns Directory / Firearm Wholesalers
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Old 04-12-2011, 03:48 AM   #2
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Where was this thread back in December? Read the above, do the above, receive your FFL. I got a TON of great info from this site about getting mine a few months ago.
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Where was this thread back in December? Read the above, do the above, receive your FFL. I got a TON of great info from this site about getting mine a few months ago.
I put this together doing the same thing you did.
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Keith, Could you send the list of the items the IOI will go over with us, I was the one that talked to you earlier today. You post will be very helpful.
Thanks Dan
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Hi Dan, was good talking to you, her eis the list

Be ready for your ATF meeting

Down load 5433.4 here: http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

And 5300.5 here: ATF Online - Publications - State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms, 2008 (29th Edition)

DL link http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5/atf-p-5300-5.pdf

You can order hard copies here: Distribution Center Order Form

ATF Federal regulation Ref guide 2005 5300.4 (Sept 2005)

The following are the areas the IOI will go over with you:

(These page numbers are the hard copy, they will vary slightly in the PDF version)

Definitions

Engaged in business page 37
Firearms frame or receiver page 37
Identification document page 38
Curios and Relics page 36-37
Antique firearms page 36
Short Barreled Rifle and shotgun page 40
Ammunition page 36

Required records and reports

A&D record page 67
Transaction record 4473 page 64-66
Report multi handgun sale page 69
Report theft page 45
Retention of records page 69-70

Conduct of Business

NICS page 55-56, 70
Secure storage/locks page 8, 16-18
Child safety lock page 16-18
Sales between dealers page 53
Gun show page 55
Out of State/internet sales page 53
Prohibited sales page 54-55
Sales to LEOs page 70-71
Sales to aliens page 157
Youth handgun safety Act and poster page 15-16, 56-57
Obliterated serial number page 44

Licenses

Correction of error page 49
Posting of license page 51
Renewal/Duration page 48-49
Premises covered page 49
Reporting change of address, trade name, etc page 49
Discontinuance of business page 50, 69

Miscellaneous Provisions

Right of entry and examination page 41
Tracing request from ATF page 42
Straw purchase page 69, 166
Compliance with state law publication 5300.5 page 41-42
Consignment of firearms page 64, 183-184
Personal firearms page 68
Firearms transportation page 45

Gunsmiths

Gunsmithing page 64, 185
Records page 64, 67, 126
Return of repaired firearms page 64, 185

If you are applying for Manufacturing license (07) let me know, I can send you those references.

Write down any questions you have for the IOI
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From my experience, hope it helps others:

DO NOT pay money for a so called “FFL kit” Most are out of date and incomplete. They sell you what you can DL or order from the ATF for free.

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Hi Dan, was good talking to you, her eis the list

Be ready for your ATF meeting

Down load 5433.4 here: http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf

And 5300.5 here: ATF Online - Publications - State Laws and Published Ordinances - Firearms, 2008 (29th Edition)

DL link http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5/atf-p-5300-5.pdf

You can order hard copies here: Distribution Center Order Form

ATF Federal regulation Ref guide 2005 5300.4 (Sept 2005)

The following are the areas the IOI will go over with you:

(These page numbers are the hard copy, they will vary slightly in the PDF version)

Definitions

Engaged in business page 37
Firearms frame or receiver page 37
Identification document page 38
Curios and Relics page 36-37
Antique firearms page 36
Short Barreled Rifle and shotgun page 40
Ammunition page 36

Required records and reports

A&D record page 67
Transaction record 4473 page 64-66
Report multi handgun sale page 69
Report theft page 45
Retention of records page 69-70

Conduct of Business

NICS page 55-56, 70
Secure storage/locks page 8, 16-18
Child safety lock page 16-18
Sales between dealers page 53
Gun show page 55
Out of State/internet sales page 53
Prohibited sales page 54-55
Sales to LEOs page 70-71
Sales to aliens page 157
Youth handgun safety Act and poster page 15-16, 56-57
Obliterated serial number page 44

Licenses

Correction of error page 49
Posting of license page 51
Renewal/Duration page 48-49
Premises covered page 49
Reporting change of address, trade name, etc page 49
Discontinuance of business page 50, 69

Miscellaneous Provisions

Right of entry and examination page 41
Tracing request from ATF page 42
Straw purchase page 69, 166
Compliance with state law publication 5300.5 page 41-42
Consignment of firearms page 64, 183-184
Personal firearms page 68
Firearms transportation page 45

Gunsmiths

Gunsmithing page 64, 185
Records page 64, 67, 126
Return of repaired firearms page 64, 185

If you are applying for Manufacturing license (07) let me know, I can send you those references.

Write down any questions you have for the IOI
Another thanks for this list. I just completed my application for an 07. I would also be interested in any other references you can provide.

Thanks!
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YW, i will find my meeting sheet and add the 07 references here
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What additional steps would be required for NFA license?
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I think after you get your FFL , you just file for the tax stamp.
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