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Old 09-20-2012, 02:51 AM   #31
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However, Bobby was with his father or other legal guardian, and his father was legally eligible to obtain the handgun as a gift for Bobby, his father would fill out Form 4473, undergo the NICS check, and assume legal responsibility for the transaction and the gun. Bobby’s father could truthfully complete the Form 4473 to indicate that he is the actual purchaser because he would take title to the weapon and then transfer the firearm to Bobby as a gift. From the ATF website:http://www.atf.gov/training/firearms/ffl-learning-theater/episode-4.html
Thank you. Now how would my mother go about transferring the lower to me?
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:05 AM   #32
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Thank you. Now how would my mother go about transferring the lower to me?
Here's my advice. Have your mom contact an ATF field office near you, they will have a better answer as each state may have laws added to federal laws. It really depends on the state. http://www.atf.gov/field/
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Either buy the lower assembled or wait, as others have posted.

I have an 007 FFL and if you buy and your Mother picks it up, it's a straw purchase, again, as others have posted. This puts her in line for a trip no one wants to take.

If she buys the lower, picks it up then gives it to you, she's breaking the law. It's illegal to transfer a handgun to anyone under 21. Being an unassigned receiver you're treading on dangerous ground.

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Either buy the lower assembled or wait, as others have posted.

I have an 007 FFL and if you buy and your Mother picks it up, it's a straw purchase, again, as others have posted. This puts her in line for a trip no one wants to take.

If she buys the lower, picks it up then gives it to you, she's breaking the law. It's illegal to transfer a handgun to anyone under 21. Being an unassigned receiver you're treading on dangerous ground.
Why would an assembled lower be any different? You still have to be 21 also can you post the link that says it can't be gifted. As stated his mother or father would have to buy it and gift it to him if it's not against state law. I posted the ATF link where it says a firearm can be gifted.
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Sorry that's not true, plus not every state has a "registered" owner for firearms. Here is some motivating training...lol: http://www.atf.gov/training/firearms/ffl-learning-theater/swf/toon4.html
Silverado, just repeating what a Kalifornia IOI told me. In the scenario you list, the father legally owns and manages all of his son's time with the gun, therefore the son is never in control of the firearm himself. It was a little unclear, but I thought the OP was in a little different position.
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I think the whole thing is stupid. You can buy a fully assembled AR at 18 but not a lower. Gotta love the govt rules.

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Silverado, just repeating what a Kalifornia IOI told me. In the scenario you list, the father legally owns and manages all of his son's time with the gun, therefore the son is never in control of the firearm himself. It was a little unclear, but I thought the OP was in a little different position.
The OP is in Michigan so CA law has no bearing. Regardless, it is legal here in CA for a parent or legal guardian to purchase and gift firearms to their children.
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Iwas,

Go over to Michigan Gun Owners forum, and ask your question in the legal beagle section. As I understand the law, IANAL, it is NOT a straw purchase between immediate family members if the 2nd person can legally own the firearm.

IRC, MI 18 year old's can legally own and purchase rifles, even from a FFL. They can legally own handguns purchased from private a private owner, they can not purchase from a FFL.

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I'll be sure to do that. Thanks!

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If the parent buys it assembles as a rifle and then gifts it to the 18 year old no issues.

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