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iwasrunning 09-18-2012 04:53 AM

Buying a Stripped Lower if I'm under 21
 
Im looking to build my first AR 15. Problem is I'm 18. I realize it is illegal for me to buy stripped lower from a FFL dealer. However, I was wondering if it would be legal for me to buy the stripped lower online with my debit card, but have my mom pick it up from the FFL dealer and pay for the transfer?

If it helps any I am a Michigan resident.

Thanks.

okdonk 09-18-2012 08:17 AM

Then i assume when your mom picks it up from your ffl/lgs, it will be registered under her name?. Who's buying and paying it online is not important. Whose name it will be registered is the important part. Just becareful that your mom won't fall into "straw purchase" thing.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

Rarity 09-18-2012 09:19 AM

No, you can't do this. This is considered a straw purchase. You personally purchasing the lower, and having your mother get it for you is prohibited unless she purchases it, keeps it under her name, and you leave it in the house you should be fine.

Check local laws also.

SSGN_Doc 09-18-2012 09:48 AM

If you are under 21 but at least 18 you can buy your buttstock assembly that you plan to use and let the shop install it before they sell it to you. This makes it a rifle at the time of sale and legal for an 18 year old to buy. Converting a rifle to a pistol afterward would be illegal.

iwasrunning 09-18-2012 02:08 PM

So basically it would be much easier if i had my mom pay for it online as well as pick it up, but I just pay her back?

JonM 09-18-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SSGN_Doc (Post 945309)
If you are under 21 but at least 18 you can buy your buttstock assembly that you plan to use and let the shop install it before they sell it to you. This makes it a rifle at the time of sale and legal for an 18 year old to buy. Converting a rifle to a pistol afterward would be illegal.

thats not legal to do its called manufacturing. the shop has to have the proper license to manufacture firearms which isnt your typical FFL. thats why you dont see shops doing that all the time.

if a person purchases a stripped lower fills out the paperwork as such then hands the lower immediately afterwards to the shop to install a stock or LPK its gunsmithing. but they cant legally sell a stripped lower and register it as a rifle at time of sale. what you do with it and who you pay to help you put the parts together is your business once its in your name. so you gotta wait to build until your 21 as you cannot legally take possesion in sale of a stripped lower.

parents buying guns for their children is a grey area that can be interpreted in many ways. doing this puts you at the mercy of whatever federal goon of a district attourney or goon of a state attourney wants to charge you and your parent. not a good idea.

buy a full rifle under 21 or wait time until your legal.

danf_fl 09-18-2012 02:50 PM

Because some stripped lowers can be assembled as pistols, the sale to anyone under the age of 21 is forbidden.

purehavoc 09-18-2012 03:11 PM

Buy a LRB stripped lower , Its stamped US Rifle on the lower and it cannot be used as a pistol lower . I know this for a fact because we bought 50 of these for a group buy and some of the guys were not happy that they could not be registered as pistols but for the price they paid they didnt say a word . That takes care of your age problem and it not being registered as a pistol :D Hope that helps and I believe Rainier Arms has these in stock and on sale for $99

http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=1417

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iwasrunning 09-18-2012 05:33 PM

Thank you very much for all your help. It is much appreciated.

JonM 09-19-2012 03:38 AM

From what i understand the atf doesnt care what is written on the side other than the serial number. It can say anything and still be made into a rifle or pistol. A stripped reciever is still sold as an other whether it says deathstar laser cannon or rifle or bazooka its still not a rifle or pistol


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