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Old 02-15-2012, 08:39 PM   #11
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so is this thing spring actuated ? I couldnt find that info on the site

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So is there paperwork or a tax stamp on this or can you just buy a 37mm flare launcher for your AR?
37mm is not a firearm from what i understand. no paper work involved. its a flare launcher. you can buy a flare launcher at most sporting goods stores and walmarts. the are considered a safety device in most places.

just be careful with them. they can still kill or cause massive damage. your just as responsible for shooting a flare off as shooting a bullet.

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Guilty Plea In Wisconsin Meatpacking Plant Fire
Mon, 08/24/2009 - 10:31am
by Dinesh Ramde, Associated Press Writer

MILWAUKEE (AP) -- One of two brothers accused of starting a $50 million fire at a Milwaukee-area meatpacking plant pleaded guilty Monday to reckless endangerment, and his brother is likely to plead guilty to charges next week, the brother's attorney said.

Joshua J. Popp, 23, pleaded guilty to one count of second-degree recklessly endangering safety in an agreement with prosecutors in which he will serve three years of probation, a period of community service and be subject to other conditions left to the discretion of the court, said Popp's attorney, Steven McGaver.

"My client is extremely remorseful and contrite about what happened," he said. "Obviously it's something he never intended in a million years."

The charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $25,000 fine, and the court could impose jail time as a condition of probation, McGaver said. Popp is scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 8.

Assistant district attorney Kent Lovern said he was satisfied that the case was charged and resolved as a felony.

"I'm satisfied that the recommendation is appropriate, and that Joshua Popp is accepting responsibility for what happened," Lovern said.

Kurtis J. Popp, 25, fired a flare July 5 given to him by his brother, who had taken it while serving in the Marines Corps, according to prosecutors. The flare landed on a roof at the Patrick Cudahy Inc. meatpacking plant in Cudahy. Four buildings were destroyed and thousands of residents were temporarily evacuated.

Neither of the men saw where the flare landed, and neither came forward even after investigators disclosed that a military flare had caused the fire, the criminal complaint says.

Kurtis Popp faces the same charge his brother did, but his attorney Julius Kim said his client should face a lesser charge because he didn't fully understand the power of military flares.

"The police report suggests that when he shot it in the air, he thought it would just be a giant firework in the sky," Kim said. "Clearly he didn't know exactly how the flare was going to operate."

Kim said "it's more likely than not" that his client will enter a guilty plea at a Sept. 1 hearing. He declined to comment on the status of his discussions with prosecutors, saying he didn't want to jeopardize ongoing negotiations.

Company officials didn't immediately return messages left Monday morning.
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Im more alert to where im shooting this thing than i am with a gun . it burned the bumper a bit but most of it washed off , the customer was not there and since it was a ragged tbird we forgot to mention it . They have quite abit of thump to them and im only shooting the 26's . We did a even trade and a handshake , not the first bit of paper work , he pulled it out of the display , boxed it back up and handed it to me , i shoved it in my saddle bag and went on my way . Pops was NOT a happy camper about that , im almost 30 but i felt about 2ft tall and about 3 years old . Think im going to buy a butt stock for it and maybe a sight like a big circle with a cross hair in it since its loaded up with rails . Ill take it to the quarry tomar and see how it does unrestricted . Talk about a toy to get in trouble with , kids or a grown man . Ill be giving american specialty ammo some handfulls of money here soon

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i got a 37mm tear gas grenade for it. $50 shipped driggan3@nc.rr.com

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so is this thing spring actuated ? I couldnt find that info on the site
No it has a powder charge in the projectile i assume is equal to 12ga shot shell round . Maybe 80-90 grains of powder . Some sites i have looked at that sell reloadable rounds say not to use smokeless but to use black powder or its equal.
From what i have read , they sell 12ga FLARE adapters with no paper work but its too short for a reg 12ga round to be fired out of ...... cough mini rounds cough cough .... You need a form 1 or 4 to buy the real 12ga adapter since it would then be made into a aow or destructive device . Or a mini lathe could make you anything you wanted for it .
I thought about a full length 50bmg adapter but with out a butt stock it would not be used friendly lmao .
They can be used for firworks or '' pyrotechnics '' IF you know what your doing , which I do not when it comes to that side so naturally im scurred of doing it , some of the ingrediants are some bad ju ju and can really mess your day up if you mishandle them . How bad would it suck for your newly made round to explode in the tube your holding ? spewing burning sulfur and A.L and other nasty stuff in your face . It would be cool to load one with tannerite but the fps is not fast enough to do anything other than wast it . I may do some stuff that is border line with our friends over the atf but making a home brew redneck 37mm grenade or firework is not somthing i care to play with and would leave to our boys in uniform . But i would love to have some real ones .
Im a newbie on these things but from what i have seen so far they can be worse than a firearm . A gun you can shoot into a tree or dirt mound and its done , these things have enough ass behind them to bounce around starting fires and burning bumpers on thunderbirds And big cloud of orange smokes kinda gives you away , no guessing where it came from like a gun shot would
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Here is a great video i found for the 37mm and the loads .
I bet that thing would be nasty with a #6 shot shell in it .

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The 37mm (as said) is a flare launcher. The 40mm is a WEAPON. 37mm is not NFA. The 40 mm is a Destructive Device. This is due to the bore diameter. Bigger than .50 cal, no recognized sporting purpose. The launchers on Garands and Yugo SKS arms do not contain a grenade inside of it, and miss that designation. Technically those were (I believe) a "spigot mortar". Grenade slides down OVER the launcher.

On my boat I have a small 12 g flare launcher. It is smoothbore, has about a 5 inch barrel, and is NOT an NFA (short barreled shotgun) because it cannot fire a regular shotshell (well, it CAN- one time!)

PS- to anyone reading that owns a lathe, and is considering turning an insert adapter to permit a 37mm to fire real ammo-
#1- not rifled? You just made an unregistered short barrel shotgun. Say hello to Bubba for me.
#2. While your insert may be uber strong, the ACTION of the 37mm is made to handle the MUCH lower pressures of a flare launcher ( 90 grains of pyrodex is less than I use in my Hawken) When the action fails and disassembles itself, say hello to Doc down at the ER for me.

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Yea , dont know if I would have mentioned you can mill out the lip on the 12ga adapter on you tube .
I would love to start loading my own but I know just enough to be dangerous so until I learn the load data the Launcher sits at my desk and is acting as a conversation piece , I am already in the pot , no need to stir it or boil it

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So is there paperwork or a tax stamp on this or can you just buy a 37mm flare launcher for your AR?
no extra paperwork than for the ar, note you, as a civilian cannot legally posess an explosive grenade of ANY type. flare, smoke or gas ok
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When I went to buy mine I pulled my DL out ready for the paper work and its just like buying milk , they dont need anything .

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