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Old 10-20-2012, 06:15 PM   #11
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Isn't there a brass gatlin gun that uses a BP cartridge and doesn't require NFA crap? I can't find it on the web, though.

Oh, and JonM, they have different calibers available on the Howdah.



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A crank operated Gatling is not a machine gun. The Gatling is a repeater like a lever action or a pump. Later on these were steam powered and electric powered weapons and were machine guns.

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im talking recoil operated of some sort cap and ball 209 primers no cartridges.

i think its possible but im wondering about legality.

i mean a 30 round muzzle loading black powder 50cal machine gun. take a while to load one though

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So a gatlin gun is not machine gun but if I got a power drill and hooked it up to it that would be machine gun?

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Yes a motorized fire arm becomes a machine gun.

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im wondering if it was all muzzle loaded would it still be one??

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Under the 1934 NFA rule a machine gun is any fire arm that continues to fire after the first round or pull of the trigger. It has no mention of the type of propellent or loading procedure. It is very clear on building or having parts to assembly such a weapon. It would seem to me even a muzzle loader if it fired from one pull of the trigger and continued to fire multiple rounds you would be in violation of the 1934 NFA Act.

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Under the 1934 NFA rule a machine gun is any fire arm that continues to fire after the first round or pull of the trigger. It has no mention of the type of propellent or loading procedure. It is very clear on building or having parts to assembly such a weapon. It would seem to me even a muzzle loader if it fired from one pull of the trigger and continued to fire multiple rounds you would be in violation of the 1934 NFA Act.
except that the official batfe stance on muzzle loading guns that use loose blackpowder without a case is they are not firearms.

thats why you can get a muzzle loader shipped to your do no paper work to fill out
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That is true. But the 1934 NFA Act would then recognize any weapon regardless after it falls under the machine act. A 10-22 can fall under this act if it has a worn sear. As you know a Grease gun is nothing more than a pipe a spring and a bolt. The pipe is not even rifled. Anyone can make one of these in a school shop. The ownership of the pipe with the bolt and spring makes this pipe an NFA firearm.

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Converting modern recievers into muzzle loaders causes the firearm to come under the NFA rules. The AR-15 in the video maybe in violation of NFA rules. Read the list in paragraph C .

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/collectors.html

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