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Old 12-08-2012, 03:56 AM   #1
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Made an offer tonite on a mid-lenght BCM upper/Spike lower combination, w/ BCM BCG and Magpul furniture.

Only problem is the barrell is 14.5 inch with a supposedly "pinned" flash hider to bring it to a total of 16 inch.

I know if it <is> pinned its legal no problem....
but .....that guy has only one post on that board

What if the flash hider isnt actually pinned making this a Class III gun? (would it?)

I wonder if I should make him sign something to that effect that the flash hider is permanently affixed..

Even so that might make little difference legally in the end,.. as BATF has a long history of ruining lives of good people for good faith actions, as long as they can find anything to hang a charge on.

Otherwise the deal seems good though.

Maybe if I not take possession of the rifle assembled and then keep it disassembled in 2 seperate boxes as I drive it home and then have my gunsmith inspect it to make sure it IS properly pinned?

Thoughts?

Fred

PS: Moderators if this is not the right sub forum for this questions my apologies , please move as needed.

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Old 12-08-2012, 04:09 AM   #2
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I would have him send you some pictures of it with a tape measure measuring the barrel. If the barrel is brazed and pined it should also show in a close up picture of the barrel. Once you receive it what are you going to do if it is not what you purchased? NOT MUCH because you are in possession. Do you think he will give your money back? Probably NOT! And he will wash his hands of it. So use caution and demand proof!

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Sniper, thanks for the quick reply.

I am unsure how to ID the features you mentioned from a pic. This is my very first delve into sub 16 inch barrell.

My big concern is not so much the risk to being money out of pocket to have my gun smith pin it if it needs doing (he is cheap). That is arisk I am willing to take..

but the danger I might be in, if I take possession of an unpinned 14.5 inch barrel is what worries me.

Does keeping the rifle disassmembled until I can be sure make it ok ?

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Sniper, thanks for the quick reply.

I am unsure how to ID the features you mentioned from a pic. This is my very first delve into sub 16 inch barrell.

My big concern is not so much the risk to being money out of pocket to have my gun smith pin it if it needs doing (he is cheap). That is arisk I am willing to take..

but the danger I might be in, if I take possession of an unpinned 14.5 inch barrel is what worries me.

Does keeping the rifle disassmembled until I can be sure make it ok ?
From the BATFE website...

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A FFL (Type-7 or Type-10) who pays the Special Occupational Tax (SOT) may possess parts required to assemble NFA firearms. A non-licensee or FFL who has not paid the SOT is required to register any NFA firearm via an ATF Form 1 (5320.1) prior to acquisition of the parts required to assemble such firearm.
Sounds like the possession of the parts is what matters, not whether they are assembled.
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personally, i would walk away from it unless, either the pictures showed it was PINNED and WELDED or able to inspect in person to acertain it's totally on the level. the risk IMO is just too great. as JPyle mentioned, in possession of is what matters to the BATF.

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These are bought and sold every day.

You're being overtly cautious.

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My rule of thumb is; if the proposed purchase might have a legal issue, I walk. There are too many ways for things to go wrong and the risk is not worth the gain.

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Fellas , thanks for this priceless feedback for this newbie.

appreciate it.
Will clal the guy this monring and ask some pointed questions and walk away if uncertain.
(unless my gunsmith is bored and wants to ride along but it would be a drive..)



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Don't do it.Period.Don't take the chance unless you posess an FFL/SOT
If you want an SBR, then go through the proper NFA steps to purchase one.
I am an FFL/SOT Holder and i get this type of question often.
My standard answer is if there is any question as to fixed barrel length, don't buy it.Adding a pinned or permanently affixed flash hider will make it passably legal perhaps, but why take the chance?Adding a suppressor by the way does not extend barrel length for legal ATF/NFA SBR purposes
As an aside, do not attempt to suppress any rifle caliber barrel less than
10.5" OAL

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How do I get a serial # of a gun I bought in 1991

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