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manber 05-04-2007 11:40 PM

What is and Isn't a C&R
I've never read up on Curio & Relic much but see them on most other boards I visit.

What exactly classifies a firearm as a C&R?

Declaration Day 05-05-2007 12:40 AM

C&R firearms are generally old milsurp rifles and pistols.

The ATF has a complete list compiled:

ScottG 05-21-2007 10:53 PM

A C&R gun can also be something of a certain age, usually over fifty years old. It doesn't just have to be old military guns.

karlsgunbunker 05-22-2009 04:29 PM

Relics - Firearms over 50 years of age.
Curios - Collectable firearms on the ATF C&R list (do not need to be 50 yrs old)

c3shooter 05-23-2009 03:10 AM

Definition (long, sorry) fro the Federal Law on firearms:

Curios or relics. Firearms which are of special interest to
collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with
firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.
To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of
the following categories:
(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the
current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal,
State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics
of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their
monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or
because of their association with some historical figure, period, or
event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this
category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence
that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or
that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial
channels is substantially less.

c3shooter 05-23-2009 03:19 AM

Everyday translation:
1. A firearm that is one the list published by BATFE - OR
2. Firearm that THE GUN IN QUESTION is 50 yrs old or older- not the model, the individual gun. a 50 yr old Marlin 39A= C&R. 49 year old marlin 39A= NOT a C&R. Gun should be in original config (not sporterized, etc) OR
3. Curator of museum applies to BATF for C&R status for a specific firearm- Chas Lindberg's pistol that flew the Atlantic with him, .45 that belonged to last President of Cuba, etc. Scarcest of the 3.

Advantage of having a C&R FFL- I can collect anywhere in the country- live in VA, go to show in Colorado, my FFL is good there FOR C&R GUNS ONLY. And when I find a gun I like, maybe for sale by a dealer in Washington, we agree on price, I send him $$ and a copy of my C&R 03 FFL, he puts rifle in mail to me. My license is $30, good for 3 years, no need to pay a dealer to receive guns for me. Except for modern guns.

Not limited to milsurps- altho many milsurps ARE C&R. Does not apply to barreled actions- complete guns only. Most fun you can have for $30 without catching something embarrassing.

mmhoium 06-28-2009 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 108313)
Most fun you can have for $30 without catching something embarrassing.

Isn't that the truth!

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