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Old 04-11-2013, 06:10 PM   #71
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I always thought the Springfield or Remington models were the rarest. I really want to learn more about Garands. I can only afford to save up for one, so I want to make my purchase count. So, the IH would be my best bet for collectability?
I'm no expert but according to Boston, the IHC ones had spotty quality. Collectors-good. Shooters-consider others first.
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Thanks for all the info guys, I'm really trying to learn about this battle rifle.

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They have a quantity of H&R Garands and more coming in. These were the last Garands produced during the Korean War. They never went to war. Most of these are now being returned by our allies. These are great shooters . Gun collectors often prefer the WWII rifles.

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Thanks Nite. I want a shooter, but I think collectibility is more important for my first one. I'm thinking the collectible ones will be impossible to find in the future, but a shooter won't be too difficult. I'm new to Garands, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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I'm no expert but according to Boston, the IHC ones had spotty quality. Collectors-good. Shooters-consider others first.
Yeah.... Lets keep that myth going until I get mine


Really IHC ones are the same quallity as any other maker, They just couldnt make their quotas. Springfield had to make many of the parts for IH (One of the most collectible varants is the "Postage stamp" IH receivers. They were made by Springfield but marked for International.) Towards the end when IH couldnt complete the contract, all the remaining parts were sent to H&R and Springfield to be completed.
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What "Trez" said.

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For enough scratch, I would sell my IH. With all matching IH markings. Came from the old DMC. Never issued except to me. Question is......how much is enough scratch?

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Like I said, I'm not expert and in the same position - very interested, still learning, and waiting for the drought to let up.

I did find this post from December on another forum. You IHC guys may want to keep an eye out on the internet or email Wayne and find out when and where this will be released. Although I'm guessing there are all already sold out.



WayneBradford has finally compiled all the data from his years of collecting IHCGarands. He's only printing 2000 so if you want a copy email him at MSGT G.Wayne Bradford ihcfan55@hotmail.com This is ground breaking work, there is noother book on IHC Garands.

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I am pleased to announce that have I signed a book deal this morning to printmy long-awaited International Harvester (IHC) book.

The book will be 8 ½” by 11”, hardbound, with 480 pages, including 16 pages ofcolor. (This book is unique – it is no cut and paste job – but is all new,unpublished material garnered from ten years’ worth of research.) It will coverthe history of the rifle, from inception to conclusion, with each chaptercovering one year of the rifle’s history. Each year is further subdivided intothe individual months, with details of that month’s rifle production efforts.Each monthly section will also be picture heavy, and have photos of arepresentative IHC rifle assembled that month.

There will be a lengthy parts section, which describes each part used on thepostwar M1, and give tips on how to identify each small part, based on uniquekey ID features. So, in reality, you will have an in-depth postwar partssection detailing all of the small unmarked parts from IHC, HRA, and SA.

For the IHC collector, it will be a treasure trove of data. There are 12 majortables in the book, and each table will have the IHC serial number along withthe data attached to that serial. The tables are:

1. Serial number/drawing number/heat lot/barrel date/stock channel number: 1639serial numbers with corresponding data (total 9834 data fields)

2. Barrel date: 3866 serial numbers w/corresponding barrel dates (total 7732data fields)

3. Bolt: 576 serial numbers with drawing number/heat lot codes (total 1788 datafields)

4. Clip latch: 282 serial numbers with letter codes (total 564 data fields)

5. Follower assembly: 288 serial numbers with letter codes (total 576 datafields)

6. Front sight: 373 serial numbers and width (total 746 data fields)

7. Hammer: 496 serials with drawing number/letter codes (total 1488 datafields)

8. Op rod catch: 282 serials with letter codes (total 564 data fields)

9. Op rod: 514 serials with drawing numbers/letter codes: (total 1542 data fields)

10. Rear sight base: 240 serials with letter codes (total 480 data fields)

11. Safety: 522 serials with IHC lettering or heat lot codes (total 1044 datafields)

12. Trigger housing: 531 serials with drawing number/letter codes (total 1593data fields)

To conclude: The collector will have access to 27,951 unique data fields inthese tables.

Is that enough data for you? No? Then consider that there will also be over 100individual data sheets which cover the entire serial number ranges used by IHC,from 4400000 to 5217000. Each data sheet has 34 to 42 individual fields(depending on whether the rifle has the heat lot codes or not), so these datasheets provide a quick snapshot of approximately 3880+ individual data fields.

And, to assist the collector in deciding if the rifle they wish to purchase hasits original finish, there will be a color insert which has 64 color images oforiginal finish IHC rifles. These rifles will cover the entire production runof IHC, from 4400000 through 5217000, with at least one representative fromeach block of 10,000 rifles, for example 4407443, 4440137, 4454943, 4460703,4472065, 4483853, etc.

The retail price on the book is $89.95, and the entire run will consist of only2000 copies. Each copy will be numbered and signed. I will take orders when thefinal proof is accepted, which will probably be in two to three months. Be sureto save some of that Christmas money or tax refund to get one of these books!The book will probably be on the market in the early spring.

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For enough scratch, I would sell my IH. With all matching IH markings. Came from the old DMC. Never issued except to me. Question is......how much is enough scratch?
You come up with a price and let me know. If you are really serious PM me specifics of the rifle and what you are asking . I have cash
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