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Old 02-03-2011, 11:13 PM   #81
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Low recoil compared to what?

Well a No.5 for starters

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The short-barrelled Lee Enfield No.5 jungle carbine has long had a reputation for kicking much harder than the standard No.4 rifle (never having fired one, I can't verify that for myself!). In part that will be due to its reduced weight, but I have often wondered what the conical flash eliminator contributed to that, since it has a similar shape to rocket venturi and should in theory add to the rearwards thrust of the escaping gas.

Well, now I know, thanks to a document I found in the Leeds Armouries library on a recent rummage. Official recoil tests were carried out on the No.4, the No.5 without flash eliminator and the No.5 with flash eliminator. The results were as follows:

No.4 rifle: average recoil energy = 10.06 ft lbs

No.5 carbine without flash eliminator = 12.68 ft lbs

No.5 carbine with flash eliminator = 14.12 ft lbs

So, the shorter barrel added 26% to the recoil, and the flash eliminator a further 11.4%, giving an overall increase in recoil of 40%. A bit noticeable...

As a matter of interest, the muzzle velocity of the two guns was also measured, the No.4 averaging 2,289 fps (rather lower than I would have expected) and the No.5 2,250 fps. I presume that Mk VII ball was used, although this was not specified. This is normally rated at 2,440 fps.

Lee Enfield No.5 "jungle carbine"


And the 9 days it took my shoulder to recover from 57 rnds can attest to that lol
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You must be one of those Metro type guys. Pretty sad!!!

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You must be one of those Metro type guys. Pretty sad!!!
No just a freakin lightweight of small build lol
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Enough said!! The AK 47 is just that also, 1947...
The OP likes wood and blued steel.. He never said the M16 was a WWII rifle. He just prefers them (wood and steel). Join in and learn!
Actually, the post referred to so many battles that "were fought with plastic AR" rifles in WW2 and Korea. Suggest you go back and read it. You may learn as well.
I'm always open to learning new things, still waiting. I don't pretend to be an "expert" on old military weapons. I was a police firearms instructor, member of the department pistol team for years and served in Korea and Vietnam as a "One shot, One kill" unit designated marksman as it was referred to then. Guess I'm showing my age now.
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Actually, the post referred to so many battles that "were fought with plastic AR" rifles in WW2 and Korea.
That is called sarcasm!!!!
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No just a freakin lightweight of small build lol
That's o.k., I'm on the other end!! I add a slip on butt pad to be able to use most rifles. They are just to short!! I'm more like a gorilla.
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That is called sarcasm!!!!
Sorry, guess that one went over my head right along with an AK round (actually, a LOT of 'em) but that is, as they say, another story.
While not a collector of old military weapons unless you would count a Katana that I have, I do enjoy reading about them from time to time from folks here who know a lot about them. Peace
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That's o.k., I'm on the other end!! I add a slip on butt pad to be able to use most rifles. They are just to short!! I'm more like a gorilla.
Right Now I'm only slightly jealous of your recoil-absorbing capabilities lol
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Doing little more than keeping a 3 month old thread running, I may pick up one of those Russian capture Kar 98s today, I found a store with tons of 'em for $300. Anybody have experience with putting them back in original condition, i.e. removing the hideous shellac?

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Nothing wrong with K98k russian captures

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