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Old 11-04-2010, 05:56 PM   #41
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I went over the one of the dealers this morning to see what he had. The collector guns with all the field gear were gone. he had several #1 and #4 Enfields along with several Mausers. I am in sticker shock. He has a Krag that he wants $1200 for.

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Yeah, I know. That's why I don't want to shoot it up.

Corrosive doesn't bother me. I've got quite a bit of RG .303 Brit as well. (Cordite) Have several cases of WWII "moose milk" though for cleaning up at the range, then I'll do my "normal" cleaning as soon as I get home again.

I enjoy shooting guns and ammo that are older than I am.

jp: Good point about the Prvi. If I ever win the lottery I might buy some. LOL. Funds are somewhat lacking these days unfortunately.

Anybody got any Krag porn to show off?
I have a 6.5 Krag which is a sharpshooter`s version and is a Model 1930 Krag-Jorgenson. I don`t have a clue as to the value.
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He must have the "Golden" Krag.

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So where are the pics? Share the joy man!!!

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Just some more food for thought, consider an '03, an '03A3 and a 1917.
Sir, He has a strict budget of $350. I believe the rifles you mentioned have a higher price tag. I have all three rifles you suggested and they are all more than $350.

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One would think so, but after correcting the headspace on a couple of my own Enfields, I would have to respectfully disagree with that statement. Unless you have an unlimited supply of barrels, bolt bodies and bolt heads to pick and chose from like the military did - getting the proper clearances and timing of the bolt head takes a bit of work actually when you have a limited supply of parts to chose from.

Just try finding a #3 bolt head these days.....

Been there, done that, and had to machine it afterward to get the timing right. Easy you say?
Highpower, I am not aware of any timing issues with the Enfield bolt action rifles. Could you please explain or give a reference?

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Long story short -- due to manufacturing differences the point at which the threads start in the bolt body and on the bolt head are not all the same. When you screw the bolt head down into the bolt body, the lug on the bolt head should not rotate past the lug on the bolt body by more than approx 10° when it stops.

If it stops short of the lug on the bolt body, you wont be able to close the bolt in the gun. If it goes past by more than 10° then you will have a gap between the bolt head and bolt body. That puts the full force of the recoil on the bolt threads instead of the shoulder of the bolt head and the bolt body. The bolt head can rock on the threads and cause all sorts of other problems.

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Long story short -- due to manufacturing differences the point at which the threads start in the bolt body and on the bolt head are not all the same. When you screw the bolt head down into the bolt body, the lug on the bolt head should not rotate past the lug on the bolt body by more than approx 10° when it stops.

If it stops short of the lug on the bolt body, you wont be able to close the bolt in the gun. If it goes past by more than 10° then you will have a gap between the bolt head and bolt body. That puts the full force of the recoil on the bolt threads instead of the shoulder of the bolt head and the bolt body. The bolt head can rock on the threads and cause all sorts of other problems.

Thank you but I have never experienced that problem. Actually you are referring to a head space problem in a particular brand. That would be difficult to machine the bolt head to head space properly. I probably would have dropped from a NO.3 to a NO 2 bolt head.

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Alright, tomorrow I intend to pick up either a Mauser 8mm (Kar98 I hope), a British Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk.II, a CHEAP SKS, or some other comparable rifle, they will more or less be used as collectibles, shooters and the occasional deer rifle, the only reason the SKS is even listed is the fact that it is semi auto. Ammo cost is not an issue (unless it is like $1.50 a rd). Any suggestions? My budget is a strict $350, also I found 2 Enfield No 4 Mk.IIs, one is $250 and one is $325, the difference being one is good condition the latter is excellent. Does that justify the difference in price? BTW, I collect WWII items, this the reasoning for the Mil-Surps, apparently the SKS also saw VERY limited useage in 1945.
So sputnik - Tell us what you picked-up.
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He must have the "Golden" Krag.
They only imported 12000 of them and it is not listed in the blue book of gun values. Actually it is not golden but I own one. The only information is Small Arms Of The World. It is military all the way. Per the book previously mentioned, it was a sniper version. You must have a copy of the Small Arms Of The World so you can look it up.

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