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Old 11-03-2010, 09:50 PM   #31
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High power, Prvi makes brass and bullets for 8x56r. There is even GC cast lead out there.

JTJ, I'll explain the 7.5, .308 deal again. The K31 7.5x55, M36 Mas 7.5x54 both use .306/.308 bullets, they always have. You are splitting hairs over 2/1000th's of and inch. A 7.5 bore is .298.. .300 at the lands and .308 at the groves.
For the power factor I'll use FPS as the higher the velocity w/ a specific powder, the higher the pressure. Case Volume on .308, 7.62x51, 7.5x55, and 7.5x54 are very close, but the action strength dictates maximum velocity and pressure.
150gr bullet for all using IMR4064. These are actual chronograph velocity at the high end of powder charge for bolt guns.
.308: 2800- fps
7.62x51: 2720- fps
7.5x55: 2620- fps
7.5x54: 2680- fps


GP11 ammo was developed in 1911. It was a milestone in its day. GP90 for the 1899 is a different animal, as is pre jacketed spitzer 8x57. When jacketing bullets European countries tended to make them larger if they were RN lead first.

Sorry, I get real worked up on "theory". The load difference w/ these cartridges is less than 4%. The high end for .308 is 46gr.

These metric calibers are what I do. I don't own a .30-06 or .270. I have a 8x57 and 6.5x55 instead.
With a 6.5x55 w/ a 120gr at 3000fps or a 129 at 2900fps I'm not losing to a bit to a .270. Plus my rifles are true pieces of extreme craftsmanship. My newest is from 1962. Most are early to mid 20th century including my K31. BTW, my K31 will outshoot my standard M96's and M38 Swede's, that says allot.

I apologize if I jumped down your throat before. But, as you see I am very passionate about my Metrics.

BTW, an 8x57 w/ a 150gr at 2900fps+ is my norm.

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OP, sorry we strayed from the topic!

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Here here for metrics 8X63 mm is my favorite one.

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8x56R $2.00 per round for 1930's mfg. Corrosive to say the least. That case is worth some money.
Yeah, I know. That's why I don't want to shoot it up.

Corrosive doesn't bother me. I've got quite a bit of RG .303 Brit as well. (Cordite) Have several cases of WWII "moose milk" though for cleaning up at the range, then I'll do my "normal" cleaning as soon as I get home again.

I enjoy shooting guns and ammo that are older than I am.

jp: Good point about the Prvi. If I ever win the lottery I might buy some. LOL. Funds are somewhat lacking these days unfortunately.

Anybody got any Krag porn to show off?
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One of the local dealers has/had a bunch of Enfields from a collectors estate. I can take a look if there is something special someone is looking for. Most had full field equipment and very good shape. I dont know the prices but I can put the two of you together. Another dealer had some Mausers, Ariska's and some of the better Mosins with bayonets, pouches, oil/solvent cans etc.
We are a small town but we have 5 gun shops. We have an outdoor range that includes 5 pistol bays, 100 yard, 300 yard and a large shotgun setup. There is also a 100 yard police range we can use on weekends for matches. There is a private indoor range where you can rent full auto.

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Thanks, but I'm not looking to buy right now.

I was just wondering if anybody had a nice Krag they could post pics of to maybe inspire sputnik into expanding his horizons a bit?

Either that, or it's just the fact that I need to live vicariously through others because a Krag is one of the holes I would like to fill in my "accumulation".

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jpattersonnh; Loading for the old rifles is not in my opinion off the topic but I have been wrong before. If you want to shoot them you need to load. I dont load for the old metrics. I used to load for the 8x57 which I believe is a great cartridge and under rated. I was going by the locals who are shooting the 7.5 and loading them. I am wondering how that berdan decaper works. I do load for the 223/5.56x45 and will be loading for the 308/7.62x51 again. I haven't loaded for 308 for a long time. I used to load a lot more calibers.

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jpattersonnh;I am wondering how that berdan decaper works.
You remember the good old fashion "bottle cap" days when you used an "opener" to pop the caps off? Same principle.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=245983

Or, there are "hydraulic" methods you can apply as well - just more messy.

Or..... as I read in a post here recently, you just ram a decapping pin though the case head and make a new hole! WTF???
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Or, you buy Boxer-primer brass, or convert other calibers of Boxer brass. Far easier than dealing with Berdan.
My Swiss K31 eats the 7.5X55 I made from .284Win quite nicely!

Keeps the old warhorses strutting their stuff!

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Another excellent point Bigdog!

That's the good thing about the shooting sports in general I think. There are usually several different options available for any one situation.

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