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Old 03-21-2012, 12:27 AM   #21
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Stock and grip design play a big part in "felt" recoil. A poorly fitted stock or grip will increase the felt recoil because it does not distribute the recoil force properly.
And the distance from your shoulder to the butt plate, when you pull the loud switch, also plays a big part in not only the felt recoil but the size of the bruise!

For simplification I didn't include an additional measurement calculated in the recoil equation. It's the speed the rifle travels during recoil. I figure if you're still reading this thread you haven't become bored......yet.

The red data is what I left off from my earlier post;
Rifle mass (weight) is a contributing factor of the recoil delivered to the shooter. Here are some examples:

  • .300 WSM (180 grain, MV 2950 fps), 6.5 lb. rifle = 30.8 ft. lbs. / 17.5 fps
  • .300 WSM (180 grain, MV 2950 fps), 8.5 lb. rifle = 23.6 ft. lbs. / 13.4 fps
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  • .45-70 (300 grain, MV 1900 fps), 7.0 lb. rifle = 26.6 ft. lbs. / 15.6 fps
  • .45-70 (300 grain, MV 1900 fps), 8.5 lb. rifle = 21.9 ft. lbs. / 12.9 fps
The ft. lbs. in bold is the recoil energy.
The fps in red is the recoil velocity.

As you can see, when the rifle weight goes up, the velocity drops. The combination of the energy and velocity result in the felt recoil. With the variables JTJ mentioned (Stock and grip design ) you can see why the "all 45-70's have too much kick." statement rings like false coins on a marble counter.
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i shoot 8*57 mauser all day in a k98 by the way there 200 grain softpoints that i shoot. i may be a little sore but not bad. ps im 5'5 110 and 14 yr
so if i can handle it without complaining you should stop whining. yeah those german mil surp were always loaded to the highest power the gun could handle.
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i can shoot my K98's using MIL-surplus ammo w/one hand.all day long...they dont come close to the "kick" of the M95's using 8X56R MIL-SURPLUS!
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teenagegunnut...you do know factory/store bought 8mm mauser ammo is loaded,way under power?
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this is mil surp and match grade stuff i lode up too around 3000 fps i know my stuff.
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this is mil surp and match grade stuff i lode up too around 3000 fps i know my stuff.
LOL.. Spoken like a true youngster So you "lode" your own do ya ? Sorry just can't help myself when a young whipper snapper jumps in and starts strut'n around..
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tex,
the hard part about these fine guns is getting the clips, without which they are single loaders (placing the ammo on the lifter, not into the chamber which can break the extractor). being wimpy, i haven't fired full powered ammo, shooting 205-220 gr gas-checked, cast cast bullets with 17 gr of 2400 at 1800 fps, or so.

good value in a milsurp,but prices arel going up due to available supplies.
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budman makes a Good point about the clips...

Tex,if you get one of these rifles & cant find any of the mannlicher clips,i can send you a few,if you'll pay the shipping.I have a few dozen...or you might find some on (Flea Bay) reasonably cheap.
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tex,
the hard part about these fine guns is getting the clips, without which they are single loaders (placing the ammo on the lifter, not into the chamber which can break the extractor). being wimpy, i haven't fired full powered ammo, shooting 205-220 gr gas-checked, cast cast bullets with 17 gr of 2400 at 1800 fps, or so.

good value in a milsurp,but prices arel going up due to available supplies.
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budman makes a Good point about the clips...

Tex,if you get one of these rifles & cant find any of the mannlicher clips,i can send you a few,if you'll pay the shipping.I have a few dozen...or you might find some on (Flea Bay) reasonably cheap.
Thanks, that would be great. It will probably be a while before I actually get it. Hopefully not too long.

Quick question, Why is it called a clip if it holds the rounds and actually goes into the rifle? Wouldn't it be a magazine? Just curious.
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I guess- cause it looks more like a ''clip'' than a ''magazine''
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