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JWagner 04-15-2013 03:18 PM

Indian Enfiled markings
 
This weekend's gun show made me pick up an Indian Enfield. I know nothing about this type of gun. The markings so far on the buttstock socket are:
62mm 2A1
RFI
1966

And on the right side of the receiver are some really illegible markings mixed in with some awful black paint:
RDGFLE .308
And that is just what I thought I could read, so some other markings could not be read or posted.

So far I have figured out that the 2A1 is the later type with the 800 metre sight. But the 62mm stumps me. The only part of the markings on the receiver that make sense to me is the .308. Does anyone have an idea what the other markings mean?

bigedp51 04-15-2013 04:49 PM

You were looking at a .308/7.62x51 Enfield rifle, sometimes the black paint used obscures the markings.

7.62mm 2A1 (7.62x51)
RFI (rifle factory Ishapore)
1966 (date of manufacture)

Ishapore 2A1 rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishapore_2A1_rifle

c3shooter 04-15-2013 05:02 PM

Biged nailed it.

The rifles are actually in 7.62 NATO, and not .308 Winchester. Can you use .308 instead (Insert Dirty Harrry asking "Do you feel lucky, punk?) Not suggested. Different headspace on the chambers, and .308 has thinner brass.

Ridgefield was probably your importer. They have to mark rifles with their name address.

Please note these were NOT converted .303s, but rifles made for the 7.62 NATO round. Different steel, different extractor, bolt face, etc, etc.

JWagner 04-15-2013 05:25 PM

I think what threw me on the "62mm" marking is that the "7." that should have been stamped in front of the 62mm was not done properly. Now I will be launching some research on Indian Enfields. I got the gun at a gun show and completely forgot to buy ammo. There was a guy selling 7.62 NATO for 50 cents a round, which I think is a smoking deal these days. BTW, thanks for input, guys.

bigedp51 04-16-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 1214784)
Biged nailed it.

The rifles are actually in 7.62 NATO, and not .308 Winchester. Can you use .308 instead (Insert Dirty Harrry asking "Do you feel lucky, punk?) Not suggested. Different headspace on the chambers, and .308 has thinner brass.

Ridgefield was probably your importer. They have to mark rifles with their name address.

Please note these were NOT converted .303s, but rifles made for the 7.62 NATO round. Different steel, different extractor, bolt face, etc, etc.

c3shooter

I collected Enfield rifles for over ten years and 95% of all Enfield books and manuals you see today on the internet were put there by me. ;)

The first ammunition I shot from my Ishapore 2a1 was Winchester white box .308/7.62 ammunition because the chamber pressure is "LOWER" than 7.62x51 NATO standards.

Winchester USA Ammunition 7.62x51mm NATO 147 Grain Full Metal Jacket
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/416922/winchester-usa-ammunition-308-winchester-147-grain-full-metal-jacket-case-of-200-10-boxes-of-20

The majority of factory loaded ammunition is loaded "BELOW" the rated chamber pressure for each cartridge.

After firing the Winchester .308/7.62 ammunition in my 2A1 the cases were inspected for stretching in the base web area and for enlarged base diameter and no problems were found.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...51/RCBSCMG.jpg

Now show me the Indian manual on the Ishapore 2a1 where it gives the headspace requirments, and remember it isn't a M14.

Oops, there are no Indian Ishapore 2a1 manuals anywhere to be found so NO ONE knows the headspace figures. As a side note the headspace settings for the 7.62 L42A1/Enforcer are tighter than US military or SAAMI. ;)

With the introduction of M118 special long range 7.62 ammunition the chamber pressures are now equal. NOTE: There was only 2,000 psi difference between the "rated" chamber pressures for the .308 and the 7.62 prior to the M118 ammunition being adopted by the military. (end of internet myth) ;)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...51/cup-psi.jpg

303tom 04-17-2013 02:22 PM

There is not a nickels worth of difference between the 7.62x51 NATO & the .308 Winchester..................


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