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Clayborn 03-28-2011 04:03 AM

Identify This European Sporting Rifle?
 
We would like to know the Caliber & identification/maker of this european sporting rifle.

Specs
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Length. 40 inches long.

It appears to be a drop lock rifle. Between
25. cal & 30. cal ?? not sure on that wed like to know that aswell.
We have some pictures aswell for identification purposes.


http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Claybornguns/106_0383.jpg


http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Claybornguns/106_0381.jpg


http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Claybornguns/106_0380.jpg


http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Claybornguns/106_0379.jpg



http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Claybornguns/106_0377.jpg



http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Claybornguns/106_0376.jpg



-Thanks Very Much


Robert

c3shooter 03-28-2011 04:33 AM

Louis Flobert of Paris was the inventor in 1857 of a type of rimfire cartridge using only the primer to propel the bullet, like the modern BB Cap. He also invented a system of rifles and pistols in which the hammer served as both the firing mechanism and the breechblock. The combination of the hammer mass and the momentum from its forward movement served to prevent the cartridge case from blowing backward. If a cartridge is used that is more powerful than Flobert's, the cartridge case will blow the hammer back and fly out, possibly injuring the shooter.

Warnant, a Belgium, invented a breech block that could be used on Flobert type guns but which would allow use of a (relatively) more powerful cartridge. That is the system used on the gun in question.

These were rimfire, NOT MADE TO FIRE ANY ROUND WITH POWDER. They are typically metric, around 9mm. The ELG in the oval is a Belgian proof from Liege.

BTW, welcome to the forum. Good folks around here. When you get a chance, stop over by intro section and say howdy.

Clayborn 03-28-2011 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 474315)
Louis Flobert of Paris was the inventor in 1857 of a type of rimfire cartridge using only the primer to propel the bullet, like the modern BB Cap. He also invented a system of rifles and pistols in which the hammer served as both the firing mechanism and the breechblock. The combination of the hammer mass and the momentum from its forward movement served to prevent the cartridge case from blowing backward. If a cartridge is used that is more powerful than Flobert's, the cartridge case will blow the hammer back and fly out, possibly injuring the shooter.

Warnant, a Belgium, invented a breech block that could be used on Flobert type guns but which would allow use of a (relatively) more powerful cartridge. That is the system used on the gun in question.

These were rimfire, NOT MADE TO FIRE ANY ROUND WITH POWDER. They are typically metric, around 9mm. The ELG in the oval is a Belgian proof from Liege.

BTW, welcome to the forum. Good folks around here. When you get a chance, stop over by intro section and say howdy.

Thank you! For the info on this edsel of a rifle. We thought it was a center fire, very unusual. Thank you so much for answering our question on the oddity of the day.

Robert

c3shooter 03-28-2011 12:20 PM

Well, unlike the Edsel- those actually did what they were designed to do fairly well. And that was close range target shooting. In many cases, indoors. FWIW, Speer makes a PLASTIC 2 piece cartridge- plastic bullet snaps into the plastic cartridge case, uses only a primer, no powder, use a box of shredded newspaper for the basckstop, recover bullets, re-use. No- they don't fit your rifle- but they are it's descendants. Yours was similar to a pellet gun- handy for chasing rabbits out of the garden, without putting holes in neighbor's house.


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