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Old 11-29-2013, 04:07 AM   #41
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Can you please clarify, is one receiver type is more accurate than the other?
Nope, sorry.

I haven't had the time to open my independent Mosin ballistics

research facility yet. But you'll be the first one I send the

published results to, when I do.

Through lack of substantial scientific evidence, reputations based on

the personal experience of thousands of Mosin shooters is used as

a substitute.

IME, both round and hex receivers are pretty much dead-on, the first

shot, with follow up shots being less accurate. YMMV.

But it might be misleading to assert that the M/Ns with the round receivers

have an equal value, especially in resale. While different receivers may be equal or

different in accuracy; it's a generally accepted FACT that a hex 91/30 with matching serials

has and keeps value better than the round receiver 91/30s.

Once again, if you are looking for a M/N that's a serious shooter, in today's terms, get a clean M44

carbine. Given the weight, price of accurate ammo, and cost for a really clean one, maybe a Ruger

or Savage is a better idea. If you are interested in making a well-rounded WWII milsurp collection,

then a 91/30, with the longer barrel, is probably a desirable rifle.

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Old 11-29-2013, 04:16 AM   #42
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The lacquer does NOT melt... If the bolt is sticking it is because the chamber is dirty or the headspace is off. Steel cased ammo is known to stick not due to the lacquer or polymer but because steel cases don't seal the chamber as well as brass and therefor lets powder residue to the chamber.
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So the barrels condition cant be evaluated because of the cosmoline inside? So how do you know if your getting a good mosin?
This is the bore of my 1934 M91/30. When I bought it, it was dull brown, basically mud. But I could see the rifling, uninterrupted. I took a chance. Truth is, almost every Mosin is a "box of chawcolates". The honeymoon cleaning was long and hard, but my hunch turned out correct, under the mud "coating" there was a good bore. You can't always win this gamble but there are some clues. It's late but PM later if interested.
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This is true. As early as 1934. Here is also something difficult to digest, for some reason. Quality control was stringent in the Soviet weapons production. Penalties were severe. The standard accusations were treason, sabotage, and espionage. The lucky ones got 10 to 25 years hard labor in a frozen tundra. Many were shot immediately after a perfunctory trial. The awards for excellence far exceeded anything in the civilian economy.

Consumer goods could be shoddy, but not weapons development or the construction projects. The Mosin rifles had consistent quality for decades. All theories about "before" vs "after", "hex" (actually octagonal) vs "round", this year vs that year, are mere conjecture and internet chatter. Not everyone would believe this, and I am not about to make full disclosures. I can only share what I know.
....which is why these things can get dunked in cosmoline for 70 years, get cleaned up and still shoot as well as they do. Not to mention the bolts, I think they are great and the '98 Mauser action is no better IMHO.

we like to think Americans won the war and our stuff was superior to the Ruskie stuff. truth is, compared to the Russians, we were mere spectators in WW2 when you look at number and size of battles, casualties inflicted as well as suffered, duration of involvement. like many others, I grew up in the cold war era and was taught to believe that Russian-made things were crap. I think that has been disproved, like you say, when it comes to the armament industry.
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Gander Mtn has 91/30's for sale online black friday for $129 just to let all yall know
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....which is why these things can get dunked in cosmoline for 70 years, get cleaned up and still shoot as well as they do. Not to mention the bolts, I think they are great and the '98 Mauser action is no better IMHO.

we like to think Americans won the war and our stuff was superior to the Ruskie stuff. truth is, compared to the Russians, we were mere spectators in WW2 when you look at number and size of battles, casualties inflicted as well as suffered, duration of involvement. like many others, I grew up in the cold war era and was taught to believe that Russian-made things were crap. I think that has been disproved, like you say, when it comes to the armament industry.
All things mechanical, avionics (later though), munitions - absolutely. The first army to be entirely equipped with sub machine guns. Ergonomics, communications, electronics - way behind. The Mosin is a good example of old school hardware that was nearly perfected by the Soviets.
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Okay everybody! I finally nought one and i think im pretty lucky! Its a 1930 izhvezch hex reciever m91/30 its beutiful has nice wood smooth trigger nice bore i dont think its ever been issued! All numbers match so im very happy! i basicly got a new rifle for 180$!!
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howd i do?

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[QUOTE=hq357;1444910]howd i do?

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Local gander mountain had both round and hex receiver for $130 after mail in rebate. I picked a hex up with a what looks to be a good barrel, decent bluing, decent stock finish, and the trusty pig sticker.
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