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jk178206 01-11-2011 11:13 PM

Help Identifying a Rifle
 
Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forum, and need some help figuring out what type of rifle I have.

My Grandfather served in the Philippines during World War II. When I was a young boy he used to show me all his rifles, and where he kept them hidden. Once my grandfather passed away, I realized I was the only one that knew the rifles even existed, and I showed my parents where they were. One of them I found out is an old single shot .22 garden gun. This other one, I can't for the life of my figure it out, its an old bolt action rifle, and the only markings on it are in front of the bolt, J 9064 I believe. Does anyone have any idea what type of rifle this is? Thanks! Hopefully I put this in the right forum.

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c3shooter 01-12-2011 07:41 AM

To be honest, picture size is so large I kinda had to run back and forth to get a look at the rifle (opposite of what we usually see- a postage stamp sized pic taken in bad light with a cell phone camera!:p)

However, I am fairly sure you have an Arisaka, type 99. If so, here is some info on decyphering markings. Markings on Japanese Arisaka Rifles and Bayonets of World War II

If you want to try shooting it, PLEASE have a competent riflesmith go over the rifle first- some of the rifles made at the very end of the war are simply not safe to shoot using anything- but when we were not bombing the hell out of Japan, the Arisaka was a well made, very strong action.

Anyone else? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

PS- welcome to the forum- when you get a minute, please stop over in the intro section, and say howdedoo.

willfully armed 01-12-2011 09:12 AM

action is pretty short.

22 trainer?

have you removed the stock or buttplate to see if there are anymore markings?

Whats the size of the bore at muzzle?

TXnorton 01-12-2011 10:28 AM

It is Japanese.

It is not an Arisaka Type 38 (6.5 x 50) or a Type 99 (7.7 mm), the bolt and the reciever are wrong (the bolt handle is way too far forward), and the reciever looks much different than the T-38 or T-99.

It looks like a Model I, made by the Italians for the Japanese Navy .

The Model I Rifle

BillM 01-12-2011 12:36 PM

TXnorton hit it. It's a model 1 (or type 1) Japanese rifle. Made by (probably)
Beretta for the Japanese. It's a blend of Arisaka and Carcano features. Caliber is probably 6.5x50 Jap.

A question for the experts---does the type 1 use gain twist(carcano)
or conventional (arisaka) rifling?

jk178206 01-13-2011 01:46 AM

Thanks guys, the other forums I post on usually size the pictures down to a decent size and not something that takes up the whole page. I have no intentions on firing this rifle, beacuase the plate that holds the follower is missing a screw and can fly out, but thanks for the advice! Its definetly not a 22 trainer, it is a larger bore than that.

I'll keep looking into it, thanks for the help guys!


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