[synical]

I just got a Lee Enfield No. 5 today. however I think mine is a No. 4 made into a jungle carbine. On the barrel it says Sante Fe jungle carbine No1 mo 12011 pasadena, Ca. but it is a Ishapore 1940 but instead of SMLE it says SHTLE and I dont know what it means. However it is stamped England and has all the kings crowns on it.

[hairbear1]

Originally Posted by synical

I just got a Lee Enfield No. 5 today. however I think mine is a No. 4 made into a jungle carbine. On the barrel it says Sante Fe jungle carbine No1 mo 12011 pasadena, Ca. but it is a Ishapore 1940 but instead of SMLE it says SHTLE and I dont know what it means. However it is stamped England and has all the kings crowns on it.

I think you'll find it's a Mk4 No.1 action.

The "S" I'm not sure of.
"H"= heavy barrel
"T"= Telescope rifle
"L"= Lee
''E"= Enfield

[synical]

thanks for the info!

[guncollector]

this was a company out of cali that modified the enfields to meet the high demand for the no5 while not a bad copy they are still just that. not unlike the old century arm no6 or no7 which as experts know wasn't made until century arms cut up and bubbafied some ishapore enfields in 303 brit and 308 nato in carbines . and while no expert the true no5s have factory lightening cut in the receiver and the hollowed out bolt handle to reduce weight

[blackdouglas]

LOL! I know Bud, I know. Good thing she's a sport, and is learning to like guns. If I could find her a gold and silver filigreed .38 or .22, semi auto, she'd be in heaven!

Synical, here's a bit of help I've found.
http://www.enfieldcollector.com/serials.html
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/philqgbr/n5faz47.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99065544/Lee-Enfield-Info

[budman46]

i pulled out my 1919 ishapore no1 mk3. the butt socket is marked SHTLE, which means short lee-enfield. heavier barrels were a feature of the no4 and as far as i can determine from numerous references, no ishapore was scoped.

do you have patridge rather than peep sights? india's ishapore and austrailia's lithgow kept the no1 mk3 configuration thru ww2 and ishapore kept the basic configuration even when they converted it to the nato compatible no2 a1 in 7.62x51.

still a neat gun.

[mag318]

Rest assured your carbine is a real No5 MkI. Just at a glance it's easy to tell by looking at the right side of the receiver under the rear sight. The No4 have a hump and the No5s don't. Most humpers would not go through the trouble of milling the hump off. You have a real No 5.
The downside of your carbine that hurts the value is the fact the bayonet lug was ground off. Collectors want the Jungle Carbines intact, and replacing these flash hiders is near impossible. So I'd value your No5 at around $350. Nice carbine none the less so just enjoy shooting it. By the way does it have the long, short or standard length buttstock? You can tell by looking at the top rear of the butt just ahead of the metal butt plate the will be the letter S for short, L for long and nothing for the standard length.