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Old 07-20-2012, 08:22 PM   #21
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According to the test the 91/30 was the best..
They were using period ammo as well.

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M91/30 PU 3.5X- 300 yd: 4.75"; 500 yd: 10"; 1,000yd: 16"
K98 ZF41 1.5X- 300yd: 6"; 400yd: 20" (At 400 yds the recticle post completely covered the target)
K98 ZF4 4X- 300yd: 5"; 500yd: 12"
M1903 Leatherwood 3X- 300yd: 2.5"; 500yd: 5"
M1903A4 2.5X- 300yd: 9.5"; 500yd: 16"
Enfield MK.VII No.4 (T) 3.5X- 300yd: 8"; 400yd: 16"

Hmmm... Seems to mt the M1903 with the Leatherwood 3X scope was doing pretty good; Wonder why they didnt shoot it at longer ranges??
Who did the "test"?
The Leatherwood 3x most likely did not have the ajustments for over 500 yards.

Both of those German optics were Sharp shooters optics, not sniper scopes.
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Who did the "test"?
The Leatherwood 3x most likely did not have the ajustments for over 500 yards.

Both of those German optics were Sharp shooters optics, not sniper scopes.
It says Dave Emary a Ballistician for Hornady
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It says Dave Emary a Ballistician for Hornady
You need to read up by someone that actually knows the systems. The PE soviet side rail was actually used on German K98's when captured. Look up K98k.com. Robert has written quite a few books. Send him an e-mail, he will respond.
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During the WW1 an Australian sniper Pte. W.E Sing is credited with over 150 confirmed Turks at Gallipoli in a few months but tallied around 200 using a SMLE .303 as if there was a doubt about a "kill" it was taken as a miss . The .303 was also very successful during the Siege of Tobruk used by Australian snipers and against the Japanese.

In 1 period on Timor between 1942 and 1943 Australian snipers from the 2/2nd and later the 2/4th Australian Independant Companies using the Mk1 No.3 'scoped rifle killed 1500 Jap troops for the loss of 40 Australians in a 12 month period causing the Japs to re divert much needed troops to Timor that were really wanted elsewhere.
The Japs sent the "Tiger of Singapore" to Timor with his band of anti gueriila troops and about 2 hours after he landed at Timor an Australian sniper shot him from approximately 300 yds with a 'scope mounted Mk3 No.1 SMLE.

This is 1 of those debates that could go for 40 pages and still not really resolve whats the best sniper rifle as everybody will have different thoughts much the same as what was the best battlefield rifle of WW2 and the .303 won over the K98 because of the fact that the SMLE has a 10 shot mag hence a better rate of firepower especially for a bolt action rifle.

Can't knock the M1 Garand either but it's 2 limiting factors were that it was an 8 shot mag and you couldn't drop the mag and reload it that cost people their lives till they worked out that by having an empty clip with them and dropping it on the ground so that it gave the sound of an empty mag giving the enemy a false idea that the shooter was reloading that it was a good battle rifle.
Like I said this is a debate than can go for a long time,regarsd

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During the WW1 an Australian sniper Pte. W.E Sing is credited with over 150 confirmed Turks at Gallipoli in a few months but tallied around 200 using a SMLE .303 as if there was a doubt about a "kill" it was taken as a miss . The .303 was also very successful during the Siege of Tobruk used by Australian snipers and against the Japanese.

In 1 period on Timor between 1942 and 1943 Australian snipers from the 2/2nd and later the 2/4th Australian Independant Companies using the Mk1 No.3 'scoped rifle killed 1500 Jap troops for the loss of 40 Australians in a 12 month period causing the Japs to re divert much needed troops to Timor that were really wanted elsewhere.
The Japs sent the "Tiger of Singapore" to Timor with his band of anti gueriila troops and about 2 hours after he landed at Timor an Australian sniper shot him from approximately 300 yds with a 'scope mounted Mk3 No.1 SMLE.

This is 1 of those debates that could go for 40 pages and still not really resolve whats the best sniper rifle as everybody will have different thoughts much the same as what was the best battlefield rifle of WW2 and the .303 won over the K98 because of the fact that the SMLE has a 10 shot mag hence a better rate of firepower especially for a bolt action rifle.

Can't knock the M1 Garand either but it's 2 limiting factors were that it was an 8 shot mag and you couldn't drop the mag and reload it that cost people their lives till they worked out that by having an empty clip with them and dropping it on the ground so that it gave the sound of an empty mag giving the enemy a false idea that the shooter was reloading that it was a good battle rifle.
Like I said this is a debate than can go for a long time,regarsd
That it can. It is when armchair QB's (captains here) chime in w/ no real idea of what it really takes that cause a false reality. There are so many variables. Was the German using 147gr or 196gr? The .303 used a very accurate 174gr. Soviets used 147..152 gr but 180gr was the "sniper" round. It can go on and on. The 1903 Spingfield performs best w/ a 180gr bullet, but sadly M2 ball was 150gr. It was more the shooter then the rifle.
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One must remember that in all of this talk about snipers and their weapons, it is the man that makes the sniper, more so than the rifle he is using, or being, "forced to use". All of these makes of bolt weapons have had high scoring men pulling the trigger on them at one time or another throughout their service history.

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The point of the article was period weapons systems AND ammo, which the 91/30 shined. I believe there was a comment on lack of 30-06 ammo. Wonder what woulda happened with a k-31 thrown in the mix?

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The point of the article was period weapons systems AND ammo, which the 91/30 shined. I believe there was a comment on lack of 30-06 ammo. Wonder what woulda happened with a k-31 thrown in the mix?
The Swiss sniper of the day was terrible optics wise. It was similar to the ZF41. Toss the M41b into it also.
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The Swiss sniper of the day was terrible optics wise. It was similar to the ZF41. Toss the M41b into it also.
These two have the reputation of being very accurate guns. The author was using what was available to him. Good thought thought
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These two have the reputation of being very accurate guns. The author was using what was available to him. Good thought thought
Every rifle made has some that are superior to their brethren. As stated above it is more about the shooter then the rifle.
In an urban area an AK47 or M4 can be used in the Marksman's role. The Israeli's used the 10/22 in Lebanon.

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