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Trez 07-18-2012 07:18 PM

Best WWII Sniper Rifle is...
 
... The Russian Mosin-Nagant 91/30 PU??? :eek: :confused:

I woulda put my money on the Springfield '03... :(

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/GUNS/GUNS0211/

Sniper03 07-18-2012 08:23 PM

Trez,

You get an A+ for your answer!
Simple answer the 1903 Springfield Sniper Rifle. It was the most accurate Sniper and Service rifle in the world at the time. They sure could have used some of the good glass we have today! But never the less in my opinion it gets my vote!:)

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Trez 07-18-2012 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sniper03 (Post 874077)
Trez,

You get an A+ for your answer!
Simple answer the 1903 Springfield Sniper Rifle. It was the most accurate Sniper and Service rifle in the world at the time. They sure could have used some of the good glass we have today! But never the less in my opinion it gets my vote!:)

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The article I posted said the M91/30 was the best rifle according to their tests.

sputnik1988 07-18-2012 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trez (Post 874088)
The article I posted said the M91/30 was the best rifle according to their tests.

I can't imagine how in a million years they came to that conclusion... The O3 comes out ahead of the Mosin in every category except simplicity and cost.

Georgiahunter 07-18-2012 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sputnik1988

I can't imagine how in a million years they came to that conclusion... The O3 comes out ahead of the Mosin in every category except simplicity and cost.

They came to that conclusion because they wanted to. If you want a certain outcome to occur, you will subconsciously try to make it happen. This is the human error in most experiments. I would also say the 1903 would be more accurate from what I have seen and read, seeing as it was almost a carbon copy of the Mauser, except it was better made.

sputnik1988 07-18-2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Georgiahunter (Post 874140)
They came to that conclusion because they wanted to. If you want a certain outcome to occur, you will subconsciously try to make it happen. This is the human error in most experiments. I would also say the 1903 would be more accurate from what I have seen and read, seeing as it was almost a carbon copy of the Mauser, except it was better made.

Agree with that, from what I hear the Mosin is only good for about 300 yards anyway.

billt 07-18-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sputnik1988 (Post 874134)
I can't imagine how in a million years they came to that conclusion....

Easy, the Russians killed more people with it sniping than we did with the 03-A3.

jpattersonnh 07-18-2012 11:35 PM

Best WWII era Sniper: Simo Häyhä using a Mosin Nagant. 505 confirmed kills of Soviets. He preferred Iron sights as they produced less of a silhouette. The optics the U.S. used were so inferior to German optics is is startling. The Soviets had a plant built before the war called Progress, it made copies of German scopes and then came out w/ the PU, a cheap, tough, accurate system. The 1903 was a copy of the K98, U.S. glass sucked. U.S. scopes lacked in many areas. The tube diameter was so small as were the lenses and it was 2 feet long to try and compare to a 12" german scope. It was basically comparable to a .22 scope from K-mart w/all the adjustments coming from the rear mount. Sure it had the name Unertl, but they were in their infancy. I sold a M41b Swede w/ a German ajack, That glass was awesome. I have a late war Zeiss Zeilvier It is wonderful and was the 1st w/ coated lenses. The PU is also a great system. I like mine quite a bit. All used the #4 German post reticule.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...h/DSCF0010.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...IM000291-1.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...h/IM000300.jpg

All of these systems allow for the use of iron sights without removing the scope. If you do remove the scope, it returns to zero when you put it back on.

trip286 07-18-2012 11:40 PM

Let's not confuse BEST with most SUCCESSFUL.
Example: I got over 400K miles from a motor that was considered one of the worst Ford ever used. 2.9 Cologne V6. I'm the Simo of crappy engineering.

I have mad respect for the mosin, those of you who know me can tell. But it's not for every one.

jpattersonnh 07-18-2012 11:54 PM

This is what the U.S. system looked like.
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/1019/lid/242
http://rvbprecision.com/shooting/fabricating-a-unertl-type-scope-mount.html
As Crude as it gets.

The most successful was the Soviet PU. It went well into Vietnam. Same scope from 1942.


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