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Old 03-18-2013, 11:46 AM   #21
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A handgun, made from the ground up, is a handgun. If the receiver has never been part of any firearm, it can be made into a pistol OR a rifle.

However, if you start with a rifle, and make a pistol FROM it, you have just manufactured a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) which is a class III firearm. Unless you have touched 2nd base with the ATF and have a stamp for that BEFORE you make it, you are subject to the same penalties as having an unregistered machine gun. (10 yrs AND $10,000 fine)

A rifle must have a barrel at least 16 inches long, and overall length at least 26".

Some of the pics look like they may be in a museum display (of illegal firearms). Recoil would be vicious, muzzle blast would toast marshmallows.
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I doubt one of these is worth the cost. Making one of these can get you 10 years in a Federal Pen sewing up mail bags for the postal service.
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Old 03-18-2013, 04:20 PM   #23
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A handgun, made from the ground up, is a handgun. If the receiver has never been part of any firearm, it can be made into a pistol OR a rifle.

However, if you start with a rifle, and make a pistol FROM it, you have just manufactured a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) which is a class III firearm. Unless you have touched 2nd base with the ATF and have a stamp for that BEFORE you make it, you are subject to the same penalties as having an unregistered machine gun. (10 yrs AND $10,000 fine)

A rifle must have a barrel at least 16 inches long, and overall length at least 26".

Some of the pics look like they may be in a museum display (of illegal firearms). Recoil would be vicious, muzzle blast would toast marshmallows.
Actually C3 & you can look this up, if you are buying barreled actions & you mark the pistol box on the Bill of Sale, then they can be used as either & or, rifle or pistol, but if you build a rifle out of one of em, you can`t change your mind & make a pistol out of it. When I buy barreled actions I always check the pistol box just in case..............
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Kind of cool, but it kills your wrist though.

It doubles as a flamethrower.

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I think it's called an obrez. I remember seeing something about it on wiki.
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and if they were rifles cut down to that size, illegal as hell!
For sure. That's for d**n sure. Had to add to it as my original reply was too short.
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I got one of them..............
Nice XP. I wouldn't mind having one. I remember back in the day they were an affordable novelty, but now they are collector items and fetch a hi price.
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Kinda looks like a cutdown Mosin-Nagany rifle? What do you think?
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If only I had a CNC machine! I would be making guns 24/7!
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have you ever run a CNC milling machine? have you ever written a program for a CNC milling machine?

if not, it would be like handing a laptop to a monkey.
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I have never used one, and I'm not really good with computer stuff, the monkey would have better success with the laptop than I would with the CNC machine.
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then it would totally useless to you. CNC milling machines are not cheap for a decent one. a shop i worked in many years ago had two of them, priced at over $275,000 each. they had a guy that had a degree in computer programming that wrote the program for them.
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That is a lot of money!!! I had no idea they were that expensive.
There is a lot you can do with lower end mills either CNC or with aftermarket CNC kits installed. The software is getting a lot better and easier to work with also.

Yeah, the high stress parts might need better tooling/mills but you can do a lot.
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They were widely used in Russia. At one time the communists were trying to confiscate weapons. People of Russia cut down the Mosin to make it easier to hide
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