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Old 01-08-2014, 01:31 AM   #31
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Just curious.... Does anybody know Why it was easier to make the M1917 in large numbers than the M1903 during WWI??? I just dont understand why it took less time to redesign and build a British rifle designed in 1914 compared to our own rifle that was designed in 1903??

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Just curious.... Does anybody know Why it was easier to make the M1917 in large numbers than the M1903 during WWI??? I just dont understand why it took less time to redesign and build a British rifle designed in 1914 compared to our own rifle that was designed in 1903??
The factory was already set up to produce it. The difference is the bolt face and barrel. I have a buddy that bought a rifle that was made right at the change from P14 to M1917. It has a .303 barrel. It may be the only .303-06 in existence. After we took it to the range we noticed bad groups and key holes. The Rifling looked great, so we slugged the barrel. 7.7mm. He had a set of dies made and now it is quite the shooter.
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The factory was already set up to produce it. The difference is the bolt face and barrel. I have a buddy that bought a rifle that was made right at the change from P14 to M1917. It has a .303 barrel. It may be the only .303-06 in existence. After we took it to the range we noticed bad groups and key holes. The Rifling looked great, so we slugged the barrel. 7.7mm. He had a set of dies made and now it is quite the shooter.

But Why???
What about the companies that were already set up for the M1903? They had almost 15 years to make '03s, But the companies that made '17s redesigned and made more 1917's in one year than the 1903 in 15????
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What about the companies that were already set up for the M1903? They had almost 15 years to make '03s, But the companies that made '17s redesigned and made more 1917's in one year than the 1903 in 15????
When the U.S. entered the war, it had a similar need for rifles. The Springfield Armory had delivered approximately 843,000 1903 rifles, but due to the difficulties in production, rather than re-tool the Pattern 14 factories to produce the standard U.S. rifle, the M1903 Springfield, it was realized that it would be much quicker to adapt the British design for the U.S. .30-06 cartridge, for which it was well-suited. Accordingly, Remington Arms Co. altered the design for caliber .30-06, under the close supervision of the U.S. Army Ordnance Department, which was formally adopted as the U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1917. In addition to Remington's production at Ilion, New York and Eddystone, Pennsylvania, Winchester produced the rifle at their New Haven, Connecticut plant, a combined total more than twice the 1903's production, and was the unofficial service rifle. Eddystone made 1,181,908 rifles - more than the production of Remington (545,541 rifles) and Winchester (465,980 rifles) combined.[2][3]


You Had 2 companies producing the '03 and 3 producing the M1917. Teddy Roosevelt also did not like the bayonet the '03 had, so all rifles had to be fitted w/ a new bayonet lug and tooling changed for new rifles. There was also the issue w/ less then perfect steel in early receivers, that had to be addressed.
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What about the companies that were already set up for the M1903? They had almost 15 years to make '03s, But the companies that made '17s redesigned and made more 1917's in one year than the 1903 in 15????
We were not in the Great War until 1917 and had a small standing army (1903 kept pace with the army) the U.K. had a contract with US arms makers for the P-14 and turned the same basic rifle into the P-17. Remington/Westinghouse made Mosin Nagants for Russia during the same time period.

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Thanks, thats what I wanted to know...

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