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Tomt 01-07-2013 03:40 PM

Fighting Robot/Weapon System (TALON/Sword like)
 
Hell Guys,

Introduction:
I've seen the Talon Robot Series and I like them and the idea a lot.
But there also some disadvantages of the system.
One I think is the high price, at around 200k $. Which in my eyes declines
the main advantage of a robot, which is being expendable compared to
human soldiers. High price robot is still more expendable than a human
of course. The technology on board is worth the money, but most
applications don't need night vision at 1000m or other features.
This why I got the idea of making an own platform a lot cheaper
at around 10K $ which I would also consider more effective.

I wanna a show you my basic ideas. And want to discuss about the idea
with you.

Photo Talon:
http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-c...lon-swords.jpg



Basic Ideas:

Chassis:
Tracked, at roughly the same dimensions of the Talon Swords,
but I think a tracked one with a good suspension wourld do fine.
Material should be metal or a poly which do not crack or brake if
shot (multiple). Should be able to still apss thorugh doors.

Mobility:
I think speed is an important factor on many ways. Finding cover, chasing,
etc. So I find 15km/h is the minimum, nice would be 20-25, perfect
would be 30+. Range should be configurable with adding battery packs,
some need not a large range (law enforcement) some do (military).
So maybe varieying from 20km to 50-100 depending on configuration.
It should be able to climb the large stairs common in large building,
like public buildings. Older and smaller houses often got a type of stairs
which I do not think it is possible to climb by such a vehicle without
modification (CG is teh problem).

Arnament:
I favor an AR 15 with a 100rd or 150rd Mag because of its light weight
and it is quite common. Others should be possible too, like LMGs and
additional or instead breaching tools.

Electronics:
I favor a too camera layout, one for aiming on the gun, and one overview
cam mounted a bit higher with teh ability to turn it 360 independently from
the rest of the weapon. An microphone is also nice maybe multiple ones
to track gun fire.

Control:
Normal PC components would do just fine, nothing too special
and a simple control layout for easy and instictive controls.
Maybe using sattelite transmission, so operators from far away
can control them. Possible scenario: 10 positions to defende,
standby robos on all positions if alarm the operator group
can take control and fight. One group for 10 positions.

Armour:
As learned from panzer warfare, "mobility-firepower-armour"
I would suggest armouring the lower chassis in NJ III(a) and in
a heavier version NJ IV. Maybe also armour for the gun part.
This will highly decease losses and damage to the vehicle.

Additional Ideas/Upgrades:

Deep Wading / Marine: Improved water Protection of all electronic parts,
rust-free bearings and swimming antenna (water deflects radio signals a lot)
for amphibous operations.

Carrier/transporter:
Special heavy duty to transport soldiers backpacks.

Long-Range kit:
Carrier vehicle with gasoline engine tranporting the fighting vehicle
over long distances whiel its still fully fightable.



So I am interested in your opinion about this idea, and also
if there is a market for a small series.

Sry for my english I am not a native english speaker.

Wally89 03-23-2013 10:07 PM

I'm no expert in robotics or enginering but I would try & build a small robot first its more complicated then it looks & I'm sure that while the Swords my be slightly over priced there's a reason why & not just R&D cost over run.

Jagermeister 03-23-2013 10:13 PM

Ok, but does it have a bottle opener?

Wally89 03-23-2013 10:14 PM

Germany tried to make tracked robots that could run up allied landing craft & detonate but the few that were used were slow & easily stopped with even a small pistol round & none succeeded there have been other attempts but the technology has only recently started to catch to the idea. I think the cost is high but the can be repaired & while useful in special situations they are limited & vurenable to EMP & ECM.

Wally89 03-23-2013 10:16 PM

The cost will probably go down in 10-20 years (hopefully)

Jagermeister 03-23-2013 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wally89 (Post 1187811)
Germany tried to make tracked robots that could run up allied landing craft & detonate but the few that were used were slow & easily stopped with even a small pistol round & none succeeded there have been other attempts but the technology has only recently started to catch to the idea. I think the cost is high but the can be repaired & while useful in special situations they are limited & vurenable to EMP & ECM.

No ****! I would love to read more about this. What is your source? I tell you, them Germans are sneaky bastards...oh wait.

Jagermeister 03-23-2013 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomt (Post 1083966)
Hell Guys,

Introduction:
I've seen the Talon Robot Series and I like them and the idea a lot.
But there also some disadvantages of the system.
One I think is the high price, at around 200k $. Which in my eyes declines
the main advantage of a robot, which is being expendable compared to
human soldiers. High price robot is still more expendable than a human
of course. The technology on board is worth the money, but most
applications don't need night vision at 1000m or other features.
This why I got the idea of making an own platform a lot cheaper
at around 10K $ which I would also consider more effective.

I wanna a show you my basic ideas. And want to discuss about the idea
with you.

Photo Talon:
http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-c...lon-swords.jpg



Basic Ideas:

Chassis:
Tracked, at roughly the same dimensions of the Talon Swords,
but I think a tracked one with a good suspension wourld do fine.
Material should be metal or a poly which do not crack or brake if
shot (multiple). Should be able to still apss thorugh doors.

Mobility:
I think speed is an important factor on many ways. Finding cover, chasing,
etc. So I find 15km/h is the minimum, nice would be 20-25, perfect
would be 30+. Range should be configurable with adding battery packs,
some need not a large range (law enforcement) some do (military).
So maybe varieying from 20km to 50-100 depending on configuration.
It should be able to climb the large stairs common in large building,
like public buildings. Older and smaller houses often got a type of stairs
which I do not think it is possible to climb by such a vehicle without
modification (CG is teh problem).

Arnament:
I favor an AR 15 with a 100rd or 150rd Mag because of its light weight
and it is quite common. Others should be possible too, like LMGs and
additional or instead breaching tools.

Electronics:
I favor a too camera layout, one for aiming on the gun, and one overview
cam mounted a bit higher with teh ability to turn it 360 independently from
the rest of the weapon. An microphone is also nice maybe multiple ones
to track gun fire.

Control:
Normal PC components would do just fine, nothing too special
and a simple control layout for easy and instictive controls.
Maybe using sattelite transmission, so operators from far away
can control them. Possible scenario: 10 positions to defende,
standby robos on all positions if alarm the operator group
can take control and fight. One group for 10 positions.

Armour:
As learned from panzer warfare, "mobility-firepower-armour"
I would suggest armouring the lower chassis in NJ III(a) and in
a heavier version NJ IV. Maybe also armour for the gun part.
This will highly decease losses and damage to the vehicle.

Additional Ideas/Upgrades:

Deep Wading / Marine: Improved water Protection of all electronic parts,
rust-free bearings and swimming antenna (water deflects radio signals a lot)
for amphibous operations.

Carrier/transporter:
Special heavy duty to transport soldiers backpacks.

Long-Range kit:
Carrier vehicle with gasoline engine tranporting the fighting vehicle
over long distances whiel its still fully fightable.



So I am interested in your opinion about this idea, and also
if there is a market for a small series.

Sry for my english I am not a native english speaker.

1. Ar10, which is chambered in .308. Grenade launcher
2. 360 visual at all time with heat sensing and Newest Generation night vision technology.
3. Smoke screen capability
4. Titanium plating
5 mobility with run flat tires.
6. Sonic sound weapon modular for non lethal applications
7. Surefire lighting systems
8. Self destruct package to protect technology
9. Microphone to communicate with those in the environment.
10. A bottle opener:D

Just a few ideas.

orangello 03-23-2013 10:54 PM

$200,000 is too high? Have you priced Tomahawk cruise missiles (~$600,000 base model) or even plane oooold sidewinders (~$85,000)?

Jagermeister 03-24-2013 07:59 AM

18 inch subwoofers because we gangsta
Soundtrack to include songs like bad to the bone and iron man during firefights. For psych ops, anything from the Spice Girls.
Oh, a robotic finger that gives the bird while playing bird is the word(title?)
A giant dildo to shove up that fat little ****ers ass from NK.
A bitch slapping hand for the politicians from NYC, Cali and Col. etc
Did I miss anything?

c3shooter 03-24-2013 12:36 PM

Windshield wipers. I'm sure you have seen water balloons. Now fill them with black paint.

Tracked vehicles also have problems when they encounter grease or liquid soap.

Or holes in the ground, floor, etc.

How would one stand up to a 5 gal can of gasoline that has a dozen styrofoam coffee cups dissoved in it ? (sticky)


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