Originally Posted by Hot Sauce NARC
looks like quality stuff right there. To tell you the truth if i lived in a rational state, instead of the Idiocracy that is Illinois i would have said screw the break and just saved up for a supressor. I think the supressor is truly the way to go but for some reason Illinois deems them to be evil. Lets not get started on Illinois gun laws, thats another thread.
What are your opinions on the effect that different muzzle devices have on pure accuracy? I agree a break reduces felt recoil therefore making you able to be more accurate over an extended period of time, but how do breaks and supressors compare to a proper target crown without any type of muzzle device?
Yeah, I was tempted by the supressor brakes as well, but alass, I live in Communifornia, and they are illegal here as well. Some states allow them, but not here.
As far as accuracy goes with this 300 Win. Mag. target rifle I have, it will shoot .25" to .3" in a bench rest @ 100 with the brake I have now. I have been told a proper designed brake will change the POI somewhat but shouldn't effect precision or accuracy. Again this is what I've been told by other shooters that have been doing this long range target stuff for a long time. It especially holds ture for the larger magnum calibers. If it does effect accuracy I can't see it with the brake I have now. Changing from the untimed Fox River brake to the timed Elite Iron brake did change the POI slightly at 100. Actually the POI with the Elite Iron brake was about 1-1/2" +/- or so higher at 100 with the same 100 yard zero I had with the untimed brake using the same ammunition. I observed a very slight improvement in group size at 100 with this timed brake as well.
In the phone conversation I had with Dale at Elite Iron, before I bought his brake, he discussed that there is a pressure wave just slightly ahead of the projectile as is leaves the muzzle and that his brake as well as a good designed brake should diffuse this pressure wave and somewhat improve the external ballistics of the projectile. I'm assuming thats why the POI with the Elite Iron brake was somewhat higher than with the Fox River brake. Also, for what it's worth, he said that his supressor brakes diffused this pressure wave even better than his non supressed brakes.
When it comes to a comparison with and without the brake in relation to the crown the rifle has, I'd have to thread my brake off and bench it to do a proper comparison. This would not be an issue as this brake will thread on and off easily, however, for the caliber of this rifle and how I'm using it, a brake is a must. Possibly next time I go out to shoot I'll send a dozen or so rounds down the pipe with the brake on and then take the brake off and shoot a dozen or so more rounds and report what the difference is. I imagine, however, the recoil will get my arse when the brake is off. (210 gr. Bergers with a fairly ramped up load of IMR 7828 SSC).