[purehavoc]

Originally Posted by JonM

pouring solvent in the bore is not going to penetrate the case to bullet seal and get into the powder charge. all its going to do is make a mess. its not the rusty bolt or nut type stuck.

my question is: is the case a steel casing??

if so, is your chamber chrome lined??

if not then do not shoot anymore steel cased through that barrel once you get it unstuck

Good call, I figured I would try some Steel cased Tula in my savage bolt gun and guess what . Stuck !!!!! I had to tap the bolt back with a rubber mallet and it did hold tight enough to pop out the spent case . I wont be doing that again any time soon

[JonM]

Originally Posted by purehavoc

Good call, I figured I would try some Steel cased Tula in my savage bolt gun and guess what . Stuck !!!!! I had to tap the bolt back with a rubber mallet and it did hold tight enough to pop out the spent case . I wont be doing that again any time soon

you need to remove the lacquer from the chamber. to do that use a chamber mop or very large shotgun type patch soaked in denatured alcohol it will disolve the lacquer instantly on contact. if you dont you can experience the same situation with brass if any was transferred to the chamber.

the reason its ok to use on chrome is lacquer simply will not stick to chrome. what it does is the heat melts the lacquer on the steel case and sticks to the chamber walls. lacquer has a very strong affinity to uncoated steel. thats why you see some folks using steel ammo just fine in a AR15 and others nothing but problems.

[purehavoc]

Originally Posted by JonM

you need to remove the lacquer from the chamber. to do that use a chamber mop or very large shotgun type patch soaked in denatured alcohol it will disolve the lacquer instantly on contact. if you dont you can experience the same situation with brass if any was transferred to the chamber.

the reason its ok to use on chrome is lacquer simply will not stick to chrome. what it does is the heat melts the lacquer on the steel case and sticks to the chamber walls. lacquer has a very strong affinity to uncoated steel. thats why you see some folks using steel ammo just fine in a AR15 and others nothing but problems.

Jon, that was my very first round of tula ever run thru that rifle. Always used brass and it had just been cleaned. Chambers just to tight to run steel after it swells up

[JonM]

Originally Posted by purehavoc

Jon, that was my very first round of tula ever run thru that rifle. Always used brass and it had just been cleaned. Chambers just to tight to run steel after it swells up

steel is actually looser than brass in that it doesnt expand and seal the chamber like brass. steel has issues with gass blowby going back around the case and into the bolt face. its not an issue in ak47 and actually increases reliability a massive ammount over brass due to the almost non-existant expansion of the steel cases.

[purehavoc]

Originally Posted by JonM

steel is actually looser than brass in that it doesnt expand and seal the chamber like brass. steel has issues with gass blowby going back around the case and into the bolt face. its not an issue in ak47 and actually increases reliability a massive ammount over brass due to the almost non-existant expansion of the steel cases.

So ya got any ideas what my problem is? My buddies savage does the same thing

[JonM]

its the steel lacquered cases. dont use steel. clean your chambers with denatured alcohol to remove all remnants of any lacquer that may have stuck to the chamber walls. removing that is a MUST do since it will cause even brass to stick once you get any lacquer in the chamber. cleaning is super easy. you can do it with patches or q-tips takes like 30 seconds of wiping. savage uses a 223 chamber and its pretty tight to begin with add residue from steel cases and your in trouble

[purehavoc]

Originally Posted by JonM

its the steel lacquered cases. dont use steel. clean your chambers with denatured alcohol to remove all remnants of any lacquer that may have stuck to the chamber walls. removing that is a MUST do since it will cause even brass to stick once you get any lacquer in the chamber. cleaning is super easy. you can do it with patches or q-tips takes like 30 seconds of wiping. savage uses a 223 chamber and its pretty tight to begin with add residue from steel cases and your in trouble

The tula we are using is not laquer coated.

[gunnut78]

Thank you everyone for the info. After work I'm gonna take apart my AR and see what I can do. It is a steel cartage I got stuck. I've our about 300 rounds of steel through this particular AR and never had an issue before. I have heard that AR's can be finicky with steel rounds.

[purehavoc]

Are you using the laquer coated stuff like brown bear ?

[gunnut78]

Yes, I have used that.