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Ryel 10-01-2010 09:52 PM

Mauser 98 broken safety
 
Hi Folks,
I have a Mauser 98 chambered in .308 Win that I havenít used in over ten years. I pulled it out to clean and oil but the safety would not flip up to vertical much less over to safe. Lots of penetrating fluid and manual back and forth over the last three days but I finally broke the lever off the safety. Itís a custom after market thing with very little metal but I broke it. Then the safety fell out of the bolt so I took a scrap of 3/4 X 1/8 mild steel, weld it onto the safety and began working it again. I can get it up to vertical now but only justÖproblem is the bolt is still locked in the breech. I have ordered a new Timney M98 safety from Brownells but I cannot get the bolt disassembled. Can you talk me through what I need to understand about this bolt to get it working correctly?
Thanks
Ryel

danf_fl 10-02-2010 07:54 AM

Welcome to the forum. Stop by our "Introductions" section when you can.

Take a look at some of the on-line auctions for a replacement bolt. Sometimes it is easier to replace than to fix. It sounds like something other than rust is not working correctly.

stalkingbear 10-02-2010 10:02 PM

If the bolt is still stuck in the receiver you're best course of action is to take it to a smith. Disassembling the bolt once removed is easy. Simply unscrew the striker from the bolt body, then push with the tip of the firing pin while holding the shroud and you'll be able to remove/reinstall the new safety.

Ryel 10-02-2010 11:09 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that the original design requires the safety to be in the vertical position and cocked before the bolt sleeve can be unscrewed. I have attempted to unscrew it with the safety in the left (off) position and failed to get it past “un-cocked”. Did I just not try hard enough? There is something about what the retaining pin does that I don't understand.
Thanks
Ryel

stalkingbear 10-02-2010 11:14 PM

The safety holds the striker back. You can still unscrew it by pushing down on the sear notch sticking out the bottom of the bolt against the edge of a bench and unscrewing while holding the striker back.

Highpower 10-03-2010 01:08 AM

I'm not clear on where you are at exactly, so I'll ask....

1) Is the bolt still in the receiver or not?

2) If it is still in the receiver - can you open and close the bolt as you normally would?

3) If you can open the bolt, did you hold out on the bolt release lever (left side of the receiver) before trying to pull the bolt out of the receiver?

The devil is in the details. ;)

Ryel 10-03-2010 01:32 AM

1) Is the bolt still in the receiver or not? The bolt can be cocked and removed

2) If it is still in the receiver - can you open and close the bolt as you normally would?
Yes, it can be opened and closed...until I attempt to raise the safety to vertical, at which point the bolt becomes locked

3) If you can open the bolt, did you hold out on the bolt release lever (left side of the receiver) before trying to pull the bolt out of the receiver?

the bolt release lever is not a issue...the problem is getting the Bolt Sleeve to unscrew without the safety in the vertical position. One gentleman has offered that I don't need the safety to be in the vertical but so far I have failed to get the Bolt Sleeve to unscrew, thereby dis-assembly of the bolt.

so I remain confused.

Ryel 10-03-2010 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stalkingbear (Post 361762)
The safety holds the striker back. You can still unscrew it by pushing down on the sear notch sticking out the bottom of the bolt against the edge of a bench and unscrewing while holding the striker back.

Thank you for the feedback but you are using terms that I don't understand.
by "sear notch" are you referencing what the following site calls "the retaining pin on the bolt sleeve" in figure 6?
Collecting and Shooting the Mauser Rifle - Bolt Disassembly and Reassembly

I do appreciate your trying to help. I know it's much easier with the rifle in hand.

Highpower 10-03-2010 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryel (Post 361850)
the bolt release lever is not a issue...the problem is getting the Bolt Sleeve to unscrew without the safety in the vertical position. One gentleman has offered that I don't need the safety to be in the vertical but so far I have failed to get the Bolt Sleeve to unscrew, thereby dis-assembly of the bolt.

so I remain confused.

OK, I just wasn't sure if you got the bolt out of the gun or not. :o

Two things need to happen before you can unscrew the bolt sleeve (1) from the bolt body (6). The firing pin needs to be in the "cocked" position and held there. As stalkingbear pointed out, once the bolt is cocked - putting the safety in the vertical position will hold it that way so that it cannot become "un-cocked". In your case, it sounds like your broken safety isn't able to perform as it normally would.

The sear notch that Mr. bear is talking about is the V-shaped lug that hangs from the bottom of the cocking sleeve (2). If you place the forward edge of that lug against the edge of a table and pull downward on the bolt body, you can pull the firing pin back into the "cocked" position. It is a fairly strong spring in there so it will take some effort.

What you can then do is pull the cocking sleeve back far enough to where you can slip a coin in between the front of the cocking sleeve and the rear of the bolt sleeve. The coin will then hold the firing pin in the cocked position, instead of your broken safety.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...1/PA020029.jpg

At that point you should be able to depress "the retaining pin on the bolt sleeve" in figure 6 and disassemble your bolt. You will never be able to turn the bolt shroud (fully) with the bolt "un-cocked".

Is that any help?

Ryel 10-03-2010 11:36 PM

Thanks for the "penny in the action" trick. Works like a charm. Now the bolt is apart and I can put the new safety on.

One more question:
While looking through Brownells list of 98 bolt parts there is an aftermarket spring/fireingpin that claims it's light weight/strong spring gives better chamber response with less cartridge movement.

do you have any opinions on that claim?
thanks


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