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jharder0002 01-27-2013 07:29 PM

Just out if curiousity
 
So out of curiosity an in full aware that there is probably not a 1 way fits all circumstantial question, how is it one goes about decommissioning old WWII guns. Say for example a full auto sten or some German long rifles. Haven't actually checked the models in a while so I don't have specifics. Which I understand is more than likely the necessary to answer the question. But anything I should be looking for specifically

hiwall 01-27-2013 08:20 PM

They are decommissioned several ways. Cutting in half thru the action with a torch is sometimes used.

sputnik1988 01-27-2013 08:27 PM

I have to say this for you or anyone that may read it:

PLEASE, for the love of God, do not decommission/de-mil anything.

If its legal, there is absolutely no reason to do so.

Edit: I didn't think about the firearm possibly being a pre-registered class 3. Thanks for the clarification C3

jharder0002 01-27-2013 08:31 PM

They're already decommissioned.... Was wondering about getting em back in working order.

jharder0002 01-27-2013 08:32 PM

And prolly should have gotten a little more information before I posted this. I'll poke around at em later and see what's what. Might upload some pics.

mountainman13 01-27-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jharder0002 (Post 1112580)
They're already decommissioned.... Was wondering about getting em back in working order.

Extremely difficult. When an item is demilled it is usually done in a way that makes it basically permanently destroyed. If I have to decomission a firearm it is not going to be worthwhile for anyone to attempt to undo my work. Multiple cuts with a cutting torch is easy and effective.

jharder0002 01-27-2013 08:47 PM

Alright so if I look around and see welding torch marks its a no go. Most of the ones I own are bolt action anyways. Not entirely sure anything besides the full autos were decommissioned. Knowing my grandfather they were more than likely fully functional till the day he died. Any place that specializes in selling antique gun parts?

c3shooter 01-27-2013 09:20 PM

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OK- listen up, pay attention. There has been some bad information posted here, and this is a very serious matter. Are you taking notes?

In the case of a fully automatic firearm- that is located in the US- to be legal to possess the gun OR the receiver of the gun, it must have been registered with the BATFE prior to May 1986.

If someone else registered it, you now possess it, and you have not transferred it to your name, you have a problem.

WAY back when, there were DEWATS- deactivated War Trophies- and paperwork for them. That is now worthless. DEWATS is no longer recognized.

There are two ways of legally demilling a machine gun. 1. Total melting 2. Flame cutting (torch) the receiver into 3 or more pieces. At one time they were being cut with a saw- too many people rewelding.

If the guns WERE registered with the BATFE, the paperwork may be something like THIS:
Attachment 81949
and will have a stamp like a postage stamp on it- for $200.

Guns that WERE registered can be transferred when inherited- no $200 tax, you must be in a state where it is legal to own.

jharder0002 01-27-2013 11:02 PM

Alright hold up a second It's not operational , non of these are. It's a collector piece he had mounted on a wall, bought from a gun store years and years and years ago. Nothing I'm talking about has any internal components. What I was getting at was a hypothetical of if it is even worth looking at to restore any of them.

I have no intention of trying to possess a fully auto weapon without government approval, im aware of the process and forms on how to do it. My question was concerning the bolt action antiques mainly. I was just curious about process of how it was they decommission something.

jharder0002 01-27-2013 11:09 PM

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Look alot like this If I remember correctly.


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