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Old 02-22-2013, 05:41 PM   #21
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Is that probably how John Browning created his first gun?



More interested in the late 1870s-1900. In other words, I want to know how JMB took is designs and made them a reality.
like any other invention LOTS of manual labor designing each part. but he didnt do it in a vacuum he had other samples of previous guns to work from. if you look at the entirity of gun design its always been a marriage of machine tools and what came before.

once the prototype was created (the hard part) specific machine tools and processes to mass create that gun were able to be made.

the readon there were stretches of long periods of time between big leaps in gun design werent because the people that invented muskets werent smart or didnt have ideas to make wondrous firearms it was that the metal working technology and available machine tools and metallurgy and alloys didnt exist. when your limited by how much stress a piece of iron or later steel could take and there wasnt a good understanding of heat treating and hardness factors a lot of gun design was hampered to stay on the safe side.

its hard to create a semi auto or full auto in 1802 when the ability to make consistant sized parts on any scale didnt exist. when the industrial age hit a gunsmith didnt need to be a master artisan with had tools while having a genius for design ideas and we started to see MANY more gun designs when things like lathes drill press and mills removed the need to also be highly skilled in carving metal and casting metal.

if jmb had been born 50 years earlier he would never have been a gun maker of any repute. he might have made a few hundred guns by hand you would only see in the back of a book on famous or desirous muskets.
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The AK 47......Designed not by a gun maker.......Yet, it is The gun in the wars of today.....Bar none........

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Didn't Stoner work in aircraft materials?

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Each day Mr. Browning knapped his cutting tools out of flint and whacked on things with his stone hammer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution

It kind of overlapped with Mr. Browning's endeavors. They had steam ships and locomotives all sorts of intricate & complex machinery for making all sorts of things. Firearms aren't all that complicated when you get right down to it. Precision fit and quality materials are crucial, but they aren't especially complicated. A sewing machine from the late 1800s is much more complex than a Colt revolver or a Winchester rifle from that same era.

Can you imagine what Mr. Browning could have done with a CAD program and a 3D printer?

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The AK 47......Designed not by a gun maker.......Yet, it is The gun in the wars of today.....Bar none........
cept for that anoying little thing called the M16/AR15
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http://www.americanprecision.org/

Check out this museum in Vermont. Great place to learn about 1800's gun making.
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Heres one for you, how did the jungle people drill holes thru iron wood to make blow guns........
How do you know they didn't just find hollow sticks.

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Each day Mr. Browning knapped his cutting tools out of flint and whacked on things with his stone hammer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution

It kind of overlapped with Mr. Browning's endeavors. They had steam ships and locomotives all sorts of intricate & complex machinery for making all sorts of things. Firearms aren't all that complicated when you get right down to it. Precision fit and quality materials are crucial, but they aren't especially complicated. A sewing machine from the late 1800s is much more complex than a Colt revolver or a Winchester rifle from that same era.

Can you imagine what Mr. Browning could have done with a CAD program and a 3D printer?
I couldn't even begin to imagine what all he would come up with if he were alive today.
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Hollowing out a blowgun? Seem to recall using a small straight stick or reed, two pieces of wood, and sand. Lightly clamp the two pieces of wood together with the reed in the center, sprinkled with wet sand. Slide reed in and out, gradually drawing them together. Sand sands out a smooth groove in between the pieces of wood. When finished, overwrap the two halves.

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Have you ever seen how the natives of Afghanistan make a firearm. Check out Youtube, they cast in sand and then use a grinder and file.

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texaswoodworker,
Go on amazon.com and order the book, "John Browning, American Gun Maker." It is John Browning's biography. It describes his shop and tells how he made some of his guns. Lots of interesting stuff in that book. It may even be in your local library and you could read it for free. It will answer your questions.
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