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Old 05-31-2013, 11:52 AM   #31
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Mankind made it millenium on plain old steel. Old hickory butcher knives, $3 at garage sales, make more sense. have several, so if you lose or break one, it's no big deal. The money can be far better spent on other things besides fancy knives.

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The money can be far better spent on other things besides fancy knives.

Well . . . yes. I have three or four Old Hickory knives around, as well as a couple of knives I've put together from Green River blades for under $15.00 total material cost. I've even made a couple of workable knives from old files laying around that only cost me labor.

But, by the same token, an old single shot shotgun you can buy for under $100 will do the same basic job of one that costs five or six times as much. Just not as well. Same with knives.

I admit, I'm a knife guy. I like knives. I appreciate the primitive simplicity of an Old Hickory butcher knife, but I also like the quality of workmanship and materials that go into a nice knife.

Now . . . take a $10.00 garage sale Old Hickory and, say, my Bark River Gameskeeper. On the average couple of days camping trip with tents and the Coleman stove the difference probably won't matter that much. But if you do primative camping, or find yourself in an extended survival situation, then the differences become more important. The Gameskeeper is more rust resistant; the blade is thicker, tougher, yet more flexible than the Old Hickory, and better suited to heavier use. The convex edge will go longer without sharpening. In a situation where you have to push a knife to it's limits, the more expensive knife gives you a bigger enevelope.

Did the old time mountain men survive with their less sophicasted knives? They sure did -- some of them at least. But I suspect they'd trade for a modern knife in a heartbeat.

I'm always amazed at people who will spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a gun, yet balk at spending $100.00 on a good knife, when the chances are that the knife will be used many, many more times than the gun.
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The money can be far better spent on other things besides fancy knives.

Well . . . yes. I have three or four Old Hickory knives around, as well as a couple of knives I've put together from Green River blades for under $15.00 total material cost. I've even made a couple of workable knives from old files laying around that only cost me labor.

But, by the same token, an old single shot shotgun you can buy for under $100 will do the same basic job of one that costs five or six times as much. Just not as well. Same with knives.

I admit, I'm a knife guy. I like knives. I appreciate the primitive simplicity of an Old Hickory butcher knife, but I also like the quality of workmanship and materials that go into a nice knife.

Now . . . take a $10.00 garage sale Old Hickory and, say, my Bark River Gameskeeper. On the average couple of days camping trip with tents and the Coleman stove the difference probably won't matter that much. But if you do primative camping, or find yourself in an extended survival situation, then the differences become more important. The Gameskeeper is more rust resistant; the blade is thicker, tougher, yet more flexible than the Old Hickory, and better suited to heavier use. The convex edge will go longer without sharpening. In a situation where you have to push a knife to it's limits, the more expensive knife gives you a bigger enevelope.

Did the old time mountain men survive with their less sophicasted knives? They sure did -- some of them at least. But I suspect they'd trade for a modern knife in a heartbeat.

I'm always amazed at people who will spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a gun, yet balk at spending $100.00 on a good knife, when the chances are that the knife will be used many, many more times than the gun.
This is a great point my friend. I only trust the best when it comes to keeping me alive. I want what i want and I would not trust a cheap knife in a survival situation. When I go alone or take a buddy we always use what nature gives use to make our shelter and we work hard and long to do so. It gives a feeling of pride and accomplishment as well as being a great training tool. So I use my knives a lot. As for spending lots on a gun I always carry a Glock or a .44 mag revolver both costing around 500-600$ a piece. So your right in sayin I use my knife more for sure but it's also gonna be the first thing to be abused. I Ask this question just to get real knife guys opinions and this forum is great for that
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:30 PM   #34
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I believe ALL THINGS ASSOCIATED with survival should be well tested to the point of abuse way before it is needed..! All things , pack , shelter , knife , firearms , you know..!

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Bet you can't even name the steel that Cold Steel uses. But this is a trick question. They change it without telling you. Fifteen years ago had almost 20 CS knives, not down to five or six. Drunk the Kool Aid, sobered up.
cold steel uses 4116 krup ... its ok Is a lower end steel but has good corrosion resistance is a bit difficult to put a blade on but holds it fairly well once it has a good blade. Pretty light steel .

Id say a really good cheap survival knife is cold steel or morakniv
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They use the Krupp in select models... The steel they use the most is AUS8a... I picked up a voyager tanto in size large to get a feel for their products. I like high value (low cost with good performance) knives. I would rather spend 120 bucks on 3 or 4 knives than 1 because I know I am going to use the ones I carry and I risk losing them by carrying them... I took the voyager on a 2 day canoe trip with it clipped into the waist band of my swim trunks. Swam with it in there a lot and I battoned it through some dead wood to allow us to build a camp fire. Much to my pleasure it did not rust at all and the edge stayed pretty sharp aside from the small section that I struck on a rock as I cut through the last stick... Lockup was super solid and I still like the knife...

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The guy I bought mine off of has more of the factory seconds on ebay but he has bumped the price up a few bucks I think they are $65 with shipping now. Still a bargain
+1 on the 5160 it doesnt pit like 1095 will if it gets a bit rusty its more like a surface rust if left unchecked.

I do love 1095 though too . If kept oiled i'd put it up against anything . It takes a wicked edge and if on a larger wider blade such as the ontario 1-18 machete it is a solid performer. And it super easy to put a blade on in the field.

I'm very partial to ontario knife co. The really do a good job with the heat treatment and their blades take a beating. The only downside is their blade coatings are done in what ..... black chalk ?? But just keep the blade oiled or apply a epoxy coating n youll have a solid survival tool .

If I could take just 1 blade into the bush it would be my ontario 1-18 sbk sawback machete

And I know its only a 30 dollar knife but the ontario utilitac II in AUS-8A is a working mans folder.
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If you want an inexpensive but tough beater field knife, take a look at the Glock 78. About $30, high carbon steel, good sheath and no frills. I have an old carbon steel hunting knife that is 50 years old and it isn't rusty.

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Cold Steel uses 1055 carbon for its line of machetes. I'm not familiar with it. Anyone have some info about 1055 carbon? ... or info of another machete with superior steel to that?

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Modern swords and other blades are starting to be made with T10 tool steel that is differentially hardened. I have a Katana made with this metal. It is very sharp and keeps its edge much longer. Of course, it takes longer to resharpen the differential harden steel.

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