[Badman]

Oh I meant no disrespect and you definitely don't stand corrected. Your post was amazingly informative and you are an obvious voice of experience. I just meant I beat the he'll out of the crovel and it just kept performing. My sincere apologies if it came across as rude or elitist. I meet people everyday that are better than me in almost every aspect of shooting and survival. When I can I learn whatever I can from others, I just happened to have used the crovel a couple months ago and wanted to share my apologies. My apologies if I offended sir.

[kilogulf59]

BM,

You most certainly did not offend me in any way...

You have actual hard experience with one...I was wrong, simple as that. This is how we all learn, from experience...either first or second handed.

Thank you sir,
Ken

[KalashnikovBlood]

I'm exSpetsnaz. The second replies are true. We learn to make everything a weapon including our sepierka shovels, and we train with every weapon to make the user so comfortable they use it automatically.

[dango]

Lots of good info there thank you.