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mlls300 11-16-2012 02:35 AM

Newb in the knife world, steel ?
 
I guess this is the case for everyone, but I want to purchase a knife of great quality without spending a lot of money. I have looked at knives for awhile and cant really figure out what kind of steel is best. I want a knife that takes a great edge and holds onto it. I know I know the holy grail right? Anyway, I have looked at 154 cm and vg 10. I dont know a whole lot about the steels and have tried to research alittle. Can anyone give me some basics and principles. I understand that some steels take a great edge but dont hold onto it. Some steels are harder and keep an edge but are harder to get razor sharp. I am looking at spending around 100 or maybe a shade more. Thanks so much.
Matt

Dan308 11-16-2012 05:42 AM

Well I think 1095 is hard to beat. It is easy to sharpen and holds a great edge. Exotic steels have their goods and bads. S30v is kind of hard to sharpen. 154cm I think is brittle judging by the tips I've repaired on Benchmade knives. Look for something made in America. Not just assembled here. W-1 any of the 10-- family, A-2 it's all good stuff.

Old_Crow 11-17-2012 03:40 PM

Really, if you just want a hard working knife a Cold Steel or a Kershaw are hard to beat. My $15 Cold steel knife skinned 4 deer without a touch up. I killed one yesterday and my neighbors crew killed three today. I have a nice hoist so they brought the deer here. I use a Canadian belt knife.

If you want a display knife well no, neither knife will do.

mountainskytop 11-18-2012 09:51 AM

May I recommend researching ceramic knives? I have three and they are AWESOME!!

Dan308 11-18-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainskytop (Post 1018641)
May I recommend researching ceramic knives? I have three and they are AWESOME!!


ceramic knives are very brittle. You can't resharpen them yourself. They chip easily and if you drop them, they break. For kitchen use on a wood chopping block ceramic would be fine.

maddoccanis 11-19-2012 10:07 PM

Modern stainless steels make some pretty good knives pretty cheap. Some steels are tougher and harder to break than others. Harder steels usually take a better edge but may chip. Some of the more exotic blades like Damascus or Japanese folded blades were actually an attempt to overcome some of the imperfections of the steel. One of the magic traits of the best steel is microscopic uniformity. That's hard to attain. You cant stir molten steel with a spoon! The Swiss seem to have the best system right now using powder metallurgy. Differential tempering or composite layered blades can give blades that are tough and hold an edge. Plain old carbon steel is pretty simple structure and takes a pretty good edge, but requires frequent sharpening and it rusts.....doc

Werminator 11-20-2012 09:02 PM

There really are a lot of good steels out there in the price range you are saying you are comfortable with. I have been impressed with the Kershaw Skyline I purchased. I did not connect with the knife originally but I am so glad I bought it. Lightweight and with a relatively large blade for its weight (and vice versa) it is an easy knife to carry with me all the time. It is slim without giving up much in any way that matters. Most of all the Sandvik 14c28n steel it is made with has held an outstanding edge. I have also challenged a Cold Steel Voyager large tanto model in a camping trip. I swam with it tucked in my trunks. I battoned it through a number of small and medium branches to make manageable firewood. I cut rope and even light weight wire with it and the edge is still sharp. I can't shave with it anymore but without a touchup, the edge was still very adequate. I am stunned at the performance it provided, especially at the price point I scored it for. I too find 154cm to be a durable steel but I have a hard time putting an edge back on it, especially if the original grinds are steep.. I admit I don't own any really high end knives but haven't felt the need to pony up the dough with so many more cost effective high performers out there...

canebrake 11-21-2012 01:39 AM

mlls, listen to Dan (Thornburg) http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f32/blade-i-made-today-75354/#post995877

http://www.dtknives.com/

My caper is scarry sharp and I intend to use it to butcher deer/hog.

I just got this blade and could not be happier! This is a quality, hand made knife and sheath.

Every penny I put into this purchase is worth the buy.

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/...rnburg/DT2.jpg

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/...rnburg/DT1.jpg

PC167 11-21-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canebrake
mlls, listen to Dan (Thornburg) http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f32/blade-i-made-today-75354/#post995877

http://www.dtknives.com/

My caper is scarry sharp and I intend to use it to butcher deer/hog.

I just got this blade and could not be happier! This is a quality, hand made knife and sheath.

Every penny I put into this purchase is worth the buy.

I checked out the website that you provided and I have to say I'm very impressed with his craftsmanship . :-D

Dan308 11-21-2012 04:24 PM

Thanks canebrake, glad someone will have as much fun using the knife as I had making it. That little thing had one hell of an edge on it. Wait till you get the #45 it's even better!


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