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mrklean 01-21-2008 10:29 PM

I think its a Bayonet
 
My father has this in one of his display cases. I was looking at it and he took it out of the case and gave it to me to take pictures of and see if I could find any information on it, as he is baffled on what it is/where is it from/when it is from. If anyone could help me out on identifying it, it would be much appreciated.

There is one marking on the sheath. It is too worn out to see but it is quite a long name and starts with a W. There are two markings on the blade. Each on 1 side of the base of the sword.

Side 1:

190
1
2 44

Side 2:

XOA

Although I do not think it is an X because it looks to be a custom letter, you can most likely see what I am talking about it the pictures.

Sorry for the poorer quality of the pictures, my D40 is currently in to be repaired.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0033.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0032.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0031.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0030.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0029.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0028.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0027.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0026.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0025.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0024.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0023.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0022.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0021.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0020.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0019.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/nate987654321/Bayonet/000_0018.jpg


Thank you for your time.

Nate

fluffo63 01-21-2008 11:01 PM

well my guess????
 
..it is a bayonet,,it looks to be world war II period,but from a
Turkish Mouser rifle,or could be German,i hope i helped:D could
also be Korean,

mrklean 01-21-2008 11:10 PM

I was guessing it was from the WW2 era. I also guessed that it wasn't American because it seems much too long to be American. I am guessing its around 18 inches long, I will measure it tomorrow.

robocop10mm 01-22-2008 01:54 PM

Looks like mauser or maybe WWI American (1917?). The barrel ring looks bent, should be perpendicular to blade.

1984cj 01-22-2008 06:22 PM

It has the same attachment arangement and grips as my Mauser bayonet but it is the length of an American 1917 or an Enfield carbine bayonet.

I concur with Robocop that the barrel ring is bent.

ScottG 01-22-2008 11:55 PM

I guess we all can agree that the ring is bent! I'm not an expert on bayonets, but some similarities to a German WWII one I have is evident.

The release mechanism on this Carl Eichorn matches yours:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture202.jpg

This is the release mech on a post WWII US Danish marked:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture203.jpg

This is the release mech on a pre WWI US Sprinfield Armory bayonet:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture197.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture193.jpg

It's a sixteen inch blade with a pointed tip, yours has a sword tip:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture190.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/OrangeEnt/bayonets/Picture199.jpg

I wouldn't be surprised if it's German issue or German made. Any other clear writing or markings on the blade anywhere?

GIMF
On the other hand, it could be an Australian rework for an Enfield....
http://eheritage.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/resources/detail.aspx?OBJECT=bayonets&ID=FHR_00358

BillM 01-23-2008 01:19 AM

Enfield. I'm pretty sure No. 1, Mk III., .303 British. Will also fit the
Ishapore No. 1 Mk. III 2A 7.62x51, but isn't the correct length.

Long word starting with W might be Wilkerson? Wilkinson? something like that!

Boris 01-23-2008 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillM (Post 14738)
Enfield. I'm pretty sure No. 1, Mk III., .303 British. Will also fit the
Ishapore No. 1 Mk. III 2A 7.62x51, but isn't the correct length.

Long word starting with W might be Wilkerson? Wilkinson? something like that!

I couldn't download all the pictures and those I did where a bit fuzzy, the French land line conection out here is a bit weather dependant. I thought i saw a British War office mark and from my limited view It was my opinion it might be a British M1907 bayonet for the Lee Enfield Mk 111 (SMLE).

marysdad 02-08-2008 02:48 AM

Your bayonet is a British Pattern 1907 for the .303 caliber Lee-Enfield No. I Mk. III rifle. This example was made in February 1944 at the Orange Arsenal in Australia. The scabbard was made by a private contractor in Australia, Mangrovite Belting Pty. Ltd. The X is the bend test mark, indicating that the blade steel met specs. for tempering. The crosspiece is bent, but can probably be straightened with care. Otherwise it looks to be in great shape. Australian P1907 bayonets are worth about twice what a British one brings, so congrats on a nice P1907 bayonet.


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