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Old 08-29-2009, 12:08 PM   #11
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It's not always animals...archery is target shooting too.


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RL357, they are around $300-400 depending on the model. They make a pretty good product, but you should check around for local bowyers (these guys are down here in Argentina!).

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Thanks Francisco. I was just interested in finding out the current value of a long bow. The father of the guy who introduced me to archery had a recurve made for him out in Wyoming many years ago and paid almost $600 back then. He only shoots hand made cedar shafts which also cost a small fortune. Puma's pricing is very good!
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While I support the rights of responsible hunters, I agree here. I refuse to take out an animal if I couldn't do it with precision and a minimum of suffering.

I've never seen an arrow take down an animal without a chase involved.

Is an instant kill within the realm of possibility using these methods?
There is MUCH less pain, trauma, and suffering when a deer is hit with a razor sharp broadhead as opposed to the hydraulic shock caused by a highspeed HP projectile making mush of it's internal organs. If the hunter remains still after the shot, often times a deer hit properly will stand there looking around after being arrowed, not knowing what happened. This never happens with a gun-shot deer. With a properly sharpened broadhead, it dies due to loss of blood pressure instead of a traumatic bullet wound. Some people claim that an arrow shot deer actually tastes better due to the lack of adrenaline pumped into the tissue as a result of the fight and flight response. Of course not all deer are shot with perfect arrow placement, but neither are gun hunters the marksmen they would like to be.
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While I support the rights of responsible hunters, I agree here. I refuse to take out an animal if I couldn't do it with precision and a minimum of suffering.

I've never seen an arrow take down an animal without a chase involved.

Is an instant kill within the realm of possibility using these methods?
This is where the individual hunter's ethics come in. I can't speak for all bow hunters, but I've got a golden rule: I'd rather spend a nice day walking around in the woods and return home with nothing to show for it than take a bad shot at my prey.

Most of the fun in bowhunting (at least to me) is the actual stalking, having to work your way to 20 or 30 yards of a wild animal without being detected and position yourself for that perfect shot. A well placed arrow, with a carefully chosen and sharpened broadhead, will work very quickly.

I tried rifle hunting, it's not my thing. I'd only do it for meat since it's effective, but I definetely prefer knives or bows for sport. I've been aching to try out handgun hunting with open sights (seems like a fantastic excuse for a .44 magnum single action!).

At the end of the day, I guess the trophy isn't that important to me. I just enjoy woods-bumming and chasing critters around.
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Every hunter I know will not take a shot if they feel that it won't be a quick and fatal one. RL is correct about arrow shots. I've seen deer hit with a slug that has run for more than 100 yds just off adrenaline rush.
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I've got far more respect for guys that let one go as opposed to taking the bad shot.

For me personally, I see more and more sh***y hunters as time goes on. I was raised that hunting was done with a degree of reverence for the prey. I'll tramp through gamelands today, and see a ton of decapitated carcasses from @$$holes who take a rack and discard the rest.

We have farms around here that will have guys on quads drive deer into open fields for you to shoot with minimal effort on your part.

Aerial wolf hunts sicken me, simply for the fact that guys pay to be flown around to run an animal to exhaustion, then land and finish it off. I see a huge difference between hunting as a skill, and killing for the fun of it.

I think I just ranted. Sorry.

But at least I now have a clearer understanding of the broadhead.
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neither are gun hunters the marksmen they would like to be.
That is my problem with hunting.

Every year we have guys that come into the shop the week before they are set to go out hunting with the boys for a quickie scope mount or a trigger job. And they need the thing back by Thursday so they can go "sight it in" before they leave on Friday night.

To me, a hunter should be a skilled and accurate marksman first, and a meat taker second. Firing off 5 shots a week before you go hunting and then taking a cold bore shot, usually at an up or down angle, isn't responsible hunting to me.

Anyone that hunts for a trophy, with no respect for the meat or the animal, has no business on my side of the line.

I would agree that game taken by a bow hunter, that is a true marksman and drops the animal with a well placed shot, does taste a bit cleaner, a bit less gamey, to me personally.

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Well put, both JD and Benning. There are some unscrupulous people that hunt. I see it around me as well. Personally, I don't hunt trophies. I do hunt for meat, and I (and my family) eat what I kill. I kill legally and ethically. I remove the tenderloin and sirloin. The rest, I grind and make summer sausage, bratwurst, etc. Damn fine eating. The trick to keeping the gamey taste out is to trim all of the fat away.
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I've been a bowhunter a long time and can testify that any animal properly hit with a scary sharp broadhead of good design will not feel pain. I've even had deer flinch at the impact, then actually go back to eating or simply walk a few steps & just fall over (with full passthru). No less than 95% of the animals drop within sight, and usually less than 50 yards.

There's nothing inhumane about bowhunting. In fact, an animal will usually drop with more regularity than with some firearm wounds. An broadhead kills by the animal bleeding to death, which occurs within the course of a few seconds, and usually leave a blood trail a blind man could follow. Whereas a firearm kills from shock, or transferring energy from expansion of the bullet. It's been over 30 years since I lost an animal that was hit with an arrow.

There's many reasons to learn to bowhunt but I can personally guarantee that a skilled bowhunter that stalks his quarry will be a MUCH better/more skilled hunter than someone that just blasts away with a high power centerfire rifle. Sure it's harder to successfully harvest an animal regularly with a bow than it is with a rifle-therein lies the enjoyment of a challenge well met.
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This is where the individual hunter's ethics come in. I can't speak for all bow hunters, but I've got a golden rule: I'd rather spend a nice day walking around in the woods and return home with nothing to show for it than take a bad shot at my prey.

I just enjoy woods-bumming and chasing critters around.

+1. I shoot about 25 arrows a day starting in July/August to get ready for the early bow season. My personal limit is 30 yds. I don't need the meat, and I don't hunt for racks, so some years I won't take a deer, and that's fine because the experience of being outdoors before dawn is worth just as much as the "kill". You see things in the woods that most people will never see. Last year while sitting in a stand I watched a hawk swoop down on a squirrel - he missed and the squirrel got away, and then proceeded to bark for the next 30 minutes effectively ruining my hunt...I get as much fun taking shots at squirrels with the bow and bludgeon points as I do deer hunting - it makes me a better shot.
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