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Old 11-21-2013, 06:52 PM   #1
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:45 PM   #2
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The idea is of course to have two loads that shoot exactly the same, with one, the full metal jacket load, for target practice and training and the other, the hollow-point load, for self-defense. This way a person can get range time under their belt with the less expensive ammunition knowing it performs identically to the self-defense ammo
Would you really trust that the ammo will be the same? Long ago I was given advice from a very smart man who said he runs at least several hundred rounds of carry ammo in his carry guns and then sticks with ONLY that ammo for carry purposes. I want to save money as much as the next person but in a carry gun I think no corners should be cut.

Also how much of a savings is the defense vs target round? If we are talking less than half price they may have a large market but if you only save 20% is it really worth it?
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I don't shoot factory ammo, but if I did, I would certainly give it a try. "Try" would mean test the less expensive FMJ against the more expensive JHP for accuracy, POI and reliability in MY pistols. That way I wouldn't be "cutting corners".
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Rarely do I ever see .45 acp that's not 230 grain... So what makes it any better for the 1911 platform than anything else? Sounds like a marketing ploy to me
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Rarely do I ever see .45 acp that's not 230 grain... So what makes it any better for the 1911 platform than anything else? Sounds like a marketing ploy to me
I agree it is all just marketing.
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Rarely do I ever see .45 acp that's not 230 grain... So what makes it any better for the 1911 platform than anything else? Sounds like a marketing ploy to me
Ploy is defined as a "trick". Nothing "tricky" about their Marketing Technique or their product. Like ALL products both manufactured and produced they need to be marketed and advertised in order to be sold.

Just because you don't feel the need to purchase inexpensive target ammo that has the same ballistics, POI and functionality as your high dollar Self Defense ammo doesn't mean that the manufacturer is trying to "Trick" you.

Do the Google on SD ammo and you will find a lot and I mean a lot of experts that say one should "Practice with What They Carry". That can be outrageously expensive for many shooters and just not feasible. This Ammo can give these shooters on a budget the best of both worlds. Shoot and practice cheap and protect with quality SD ammo without fear.

Nothing "Tricky" about it, just a great idea for those on a Budget. Don't like it, don't buy it, but a "trick" No Way!

OH, and as for 230gr ammo, might want to take a look here. Seven pages of 45 ACP ammo from 78gr all the way up to 255gr. If you have rarely seen anything but 230gr ammo, you need to get out more.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=24&newcategorydimension id=15597

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Ploy is defined as a "trick". Nothing "tricky" about their Marketing Technique or their product. Like ALL products both manufactured and produced they need to be marketed and advertised in order to be sold.

Just because you don't feel the need to purchase inexpensive target ammo that has the same ballistics, POI and functionality as your high dollar Self Defense ammo doesn't mean that the manufacturer is trying to "Trick" you.

Do the Google on SD ammo and you will find a lot and I mean a lot of experts that say one should "Practice with What They Carry". That can be outrageously expensive for many shooters and just not feasible. This Ammo can give these shooters on a budget the best of both worlds. Shoot and practice cheap and protect with quality SD ammo without fear.

Nothing "Tricky" about it, just a great idea for those on a Budget. Don't like it, don't buy it, but a "trick" No Way!

OH, and as for 230gr ammo, might want to take a look here. Seven pages of 45 ACP ammo from 78gr all the way up to 255gr. If you have rarely seen anything but 230gr ammo, you need to get out more.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=24&newcategorydimension id=15597
I didn't say that there was anything wrong with the ammo... I just said that slapping a 1911 on the box hints that if you have a 1911 this ammo is somehow superior to any other 230 grain out there.

And I was referring to on the shelf ammo, not online sales, you can find anything online.
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Sure ya did, you said it was a "Ploy" which by definition means a "trick". Trick by definition means to "deceive". You claim this ammo is deceptive, a trick and a falsehood.
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Anyone know the odds spread?
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for crying out loud...... the guy posted some info.
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