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Old 11-26-2012, 01:12 PM   #11
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Nice story but the 10 mm lite came about because the agents could not handle the full power load. The 10 mm is a great cartridge in a pistol heavy enough to mitigate the recoil. Not so great in a 27 oz carry. As far as the 40 S&W goes, I would rather shoot my G36 45 than a G23 40. A Steyer M40 is a pleasure to shoot so there is a difference in pistols.

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The 10mm WILDCAT (not lite) was created due to grip size and overpenetration. The ammunition available in 1986 was full pressure loads.

Due to the recoil and grip size, women... and men with small hands had trouble controlling the pistol for double taps and follow up shots. Add in the minor annoyance of bullets passing through targets, they were faced with a dilemma -

Fire the women and girly men currently in the ranks, hiring real men that could handle PERFECTION.

Or, redesign and dumb down that perfection.

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OK, If you actually read the post and understood the history, you would know the .40 DOES mirror the 10mm ballistics. The load they were mirroring was called the "FBI Lite" or 10mm Subsonic. The .40 does that well in a smaller package.

What the .40 cannot do is keep up with the "high performance" loads. 180's @ 1300? .40 gets left in the dust.

IMHO the .40 S&W is an adequate defensive cartridge for most applications. The 10mm is a SUPERIOR defensive cartridge for most applications that include real man hands.
I read it and I understand the history. This comment is entirely false.
Nearly identical ballistic performance was produced with far less recoil, and the .40 S&W was born.

If this refers to the "FBI Light" ammo then it is false. The "FBI Light" and the 40 have "Nearly Identical Ballistics" and that would include recoil. Recoil would be the same in identical firearms. The 40 slipped into a smaller 9MM frame actually has more recoil than a full size 10mm using "FBI Light" ammo.

Don't get me wrong, I like the 40, I have a very nice-accurate CZ PO-6 that makes me happy, but a 10MM it ain't.
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Oh I agree the .40 is not a 10mm. The original statement was partially true. The .40 DOES duplicate the 10mm ballistics (at least the ballistics of the 10mm Lite). It does have less recoil than FULL POWER 10mm ammo, but so does the FBI Lite ammo.

I explain the difference in two ways;

1. The 10 mm is to the .40 what the .357 Mag is to the .38 Spl (I know this is not entirely accurate as the 10 predates the .40 and the .38 predates the .357)

2. The 10 mm is kind of a .40 Magnum.

These tend to put it into layman's terms. It is easier than spending 30 minutes explaining the history of the cartridges.

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The original statement was partially true. The .40 DOES duplicate the 10mm ballistics (at least the ballistics of the 10mm Lite). It does have less recoil than FULL POWER 10mm ammo, but so does the FBI Lite ammo.
So to compare the "ballistics" we use full power 40 and watered down 10MM to make them equal? When comparing recoil, we compare full power 10mm and full power 40?

Interesting concept.
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Exactly. That is the new American way. Make unfair comparisons to sell a product, make a law or convince the people a political party is doiing good for them.

I have both calibers. The .40 serves a purpose, but the 10 serves most purposes.

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The 10mm is definitely far superior. It will not only kill the intended target, but continue on to possibly kill one ore two more. For me I am quite happy with the accuracy, comfort and stopping power of my 45.

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The 10mm is definitely far superior. It will not only kill the intended target, but continue on to possibly kill one ore two more. For me I am quite happy with the accuracy, comfort and stopping power of my 45.
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